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[thelana]

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Warnings that fics should have.

Cool rant/essay on technically good stories that fail because of the villain. Because somebody who might be good in canon is revealed to be the surprise monster villain without any sane explanation.

Somebody's list of fanfic squicks and musings on the "Well, it doesn't suck" kind of reccing. I rather liked that

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[plazmah]

the House fandom (apart from House/Wilson) seems to gravitate towards Chase rather than Foreman, or in CSI Gil/Nick and Gil/Greg is fairly big, so why relatively no Warrick/Gil?

Oy vey, I was wondering if anyone on my flist would bring this up one day!

I have no idea why slash writers don't gravitate towards biracial pairings, but a definate aversion is there. My (half-assed) explanation is that it has a lot to do with power dynamics. If in the pairing the white man is dominant, it's seen as subjugation. And if the black man is dominant, it's seen as playing into stereotype.

/two cents

[thelana]

I wonder if people are too afraid that they might offend somebody if they don't get the characterisation of a black character right.

Then again, considering that the boundaries for incest or underage fic have been broken doesn't that seem petty in comparison? And that aside from the whole "Is it more offensive to write them badly than it is to not write them at all?".

I've always been a fan of biracial het pairings in canon (in a completely superficial "Eeee, pretty!" and "Eeeee, hot" kind of way) it surprises me that it isn't more kink in slash. Like, I'm always looking for interesting dynamics, there's the whole "We work and law enforcement and have to hide our relationship", "Incest!!!" and "But I'm your boss/mentor". If the thing is so taboo and scary as the lack of fic suggests, shouldn't that be more thrill?

[plazmah]

It does seem like an insignificant thing in the wake of all the other wild kinks one reads about. I don't think it has anything with being tabboo or scary. Slashers... just don't write it. Which brings us back to the question of why?

Biracial het pairings = love, no matter the fandom for me. In Lost it would be Ana/Eko or Micheal/Sun, in CSI it's Catherine/Warrick, and in House it's Foreman/Cuddy. But the fact that I have few slash pairings in Lost and none in CSI complicates matters. I know with me, personally, I'm not usually attracted to black men unless they are exceptionally hot, like Warrick, who's character is pretty much promoted as "Hot Black Guy".

/late nite ramblings

[thelana]

In Lost it would be Ana/Eko or Micheal/Sun, in CSI it's Catherine/Warrick, and in House it's Foreman/Cuddy

Foreman/Cuddy? O__0

So how's the fic writing ratio for those pairings you described?

Word on the hotness or Warrick, but it still seems to me that the fic amount is totally inproportionate to the actual hotness.

[thelana]

I have read some monster amazing 2nd person, especially in the incest fandoms. So I'm totally convinced that it can be great.

most of the black guys i think are hot are rappers, however. which makes me laugh, because i am the whitest person EVER. but, pharrell? or nelly? or mos def? make me swoon. <3333

And Blade and Warrick and Morgan Freeman!

I agree that rap culture is wicked hot, but at the same time I can see how that would be hard to write about, since I'm guessing it would be hard to get the character voices right.

[thelana]

I had/have deep cravings for some quality Eminem/50 and Eminem/Proof and Eminem/Dre. :)

ps: that icon = love.

It sure is :)

[hiddenw]

Maybe because if it's someone like Angel it's a character who is also white. But if it's someone like Gunn it's a *black* character. It's all about the white male being the "norm," the generalizable, and everyone else being seen as the other, such as if you're a woman or a minority. But since a lot of fandom involves women the real other is the minority. Maybe they feel they can't just write them in as they would anyone else, but feel like they have to focus as much on the racial aspect and well, they don't know how?

[thelana]

But is the source the original show writers who write Gunn as a black character or is the source the insecure fanfiction writers

[miss_mandy]

Mostly I just never shipped Gunn because I thought he was ugly.

Now if Ludacris had played him? Or Gary Dourdan? Or...um yeah, that's about it for black guys I'm attracted to. Oh wait, Ray from The Amazing Race.

I always feel kinda racist when I say I'm not attracted to black guys, but that's just my preference. Which is why I never really shipped Gunn with anyone.

[thelana]

I didn't think Gunn was particularly attractive. And the writing for him is deeply placative at times. But yeah, I looked at him and all the tools were there, like killing that guy for Fred or angsting about his place in the group after they moved to W&H. So why didn't he connect? There are lots of black characters that seem to have the necessary goods in theory, but they just don't connect. Now if he'd been played an angsty white boy, I'm convined that there would have been more shipping.

I'm asking this because a lot of not really attractive people (at least in my definiton of it) are being shipped, apparently based on kinks in their writing.

[clex_monkie89]

Dude. Biracial love is a total kink for me. Seriously. It makes me sad that most of my fandoms don't have anyone of nice shiny colors. Lost does but I don't really fic it, though they fdo have Bernard/Rose (White man, black woman, both older) who may be on of my favorite canon ships of all. Scrubs has no fic but they have Turk/Carla canon (Black man, Latina woman, mid-twenties or so) who are so incredibly perfect it's unbelievably believable

[thelana]

Not to mention like everybody was in love with Carla. Dr. Cox was and JD kissed her one, right?

Is that C-Note is all for his family and it feels bad to put him with anyone else.

I know. But I still kinda want it, because I think he's hot. But it would be like AU where the family doesn't exit. Is it racist when I say I want a fic where Sara is trapped in the safehouse with them and has sex with all of them (including a blowjob for T-Bag)? And she loves riding C-Note's black cock, because whoa shiny! (as in, she looks down on herself and watches how it goes in and out) Oh wait here thy misogyny trumps out the racism, right?

(must learn to stop scaring poor asexual clex)

[clex_monkie89]

Dr. Cox thought he was in love with her in the first season until she told him in the begining of the second that he still loved his ex-wife. That made him mad. I don't think JD ever had the hots for her seriously though.

Oh wait here thy misogyny trumps out the racism, right?

I don't know. I'm honestly too horrified to try and think about it. It's weird, I'm not usually a prude but I think Sara watching it may have pushed me over the edge a bit.

(must learn to stop scaring poor asexual clex)

I'm convinced this is why I get a complete mind-blank when I try to write porn. I can read it and like it but when I try to write it my brain starts to cry. Really it's sad. :'(

[thelana]

I don't think JD ever had the hots for her seriously though.

They kissed while drunk (I think they fell off the counter together) and had a big confrontation about it in the rain. I mostly remember it because somebody on my friendlist shipped them.

It's weird, I'm not usually a prude but I think Sara watching it may have pushed me over the edge a bit.

Naw, I'm all for the self watching. Sex in front of/against the mirror for example is total hot in my book.