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[thegoal_issoul]

So I typed out this whole ginormous entry but I think it can just be summed up as... I REALLY HATE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRO-LIFE AND/OR HOMOPHOBIC/AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

ugh. got into a heated discussion with someone who is pro-life AND homophobic. I just feel sick to my stomach thinking about people who hate gays.... or think abortion is wrong.. oy.

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[herocatholic]

I hate to start heated discussions but...

I'm pro-life. This doesn't mean that I don't respect people's opinions, however, I don't think that abortion is a good choice unless there are severe circumstances (gray areas are: rape, incest. Ok area is: endangerment of mother's life).

What's wrong with abortion being wrong?

[never2muchmusic]

It's fine and dandy that you think abortion is wrong, but that doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't be allowed to do it or not be allowed to think differently than you. If you think abortion is wrong, don't get one.

[never2muchmusic]

Plus, most people that get abortions do not want to go through the physical nastiness that is pregnancy/don't want to have a baby/don't have the means to support a baby. So, having the baby wouldn't make sense for the mother or the child because the mother would go through unecessary discomfort and the baby would never truly be cared for in the way that a child should. Even if the baby was given up for adoption, there is a lot of mental trauma that goes along with adoption for both the parents and child.

Plus, the world is overcrowded and humans are going to kill themselves by reproducing. So, I don't have a problem with women deciding to rid their bodies of a few cells and save the planet from becoming one giant clown car.

I also hate when people say that abortion is killing a baby. You can't kill something that has never lived.

[herocatholic]

so it's not living at all? or are you using the definition of a "baby" as the the child once it exits the womb?

I understand that the whole world doesn't have to think like I do, I'm just stating that Sarah said that she hates (of course, not in the extreme sense) pro-life people. Since I am a pro-life person, does that mean that Sarah hates me now [this is rhetorical as I know that the answer is no]?

[thegoal_issoul]

lol, i dont hate u. i was being sort of extreme in that post. what i really meant was I just don't understand how someone can be pro-life... i dunno.. i just can't find a good reason for it.

oh and Jackie i totally agree with everything u said. :D

[thegoal_issoul]

not to start another debate here, but im honestly just stating this thru pure ignorance. if you are pro-life then why do you think its ok on certain occasions?

[herocatholic]

the case of the mother's life is an exception to pro-life because the woman intended [or wanted] to have the baby, but unfortantley, the baby's position or the circumstances involving the uterus or vaginal opening conflicted with the birthing process. The word WANTED is the key word to this situation. Plus, one can consider this as a case of self-defense on the mother's side.

You have a 16-year-old who gets knocked up by her boyfriend because they were having unprotected sex and she didn't want to have the responsibility is ridiculuous. Why cause harm to the baby when the baby didn't do anything? I know this is going along guilt trip but c'mon!

So, this is what Jackie said:
Plus, most people that get abortions do not want to go through the physical nastiness that is pregnancy

don't want to have a baby

And thus...the baby's fault!

don't have the means to support a baby.

Adoption...

So, having the baby wouldn't make sense for the mother or the child because the mother would go through unecessary discomfort and the baby would

[never2muchmusic]

First of all, I think there is a huge difference between a baby and a fetus. A fetus is inside the mother's womb and hasn't been born. Webster defines a fetus as "an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth". So technically most abortions aren't even of fetuses, but of clusters of cells. I don't think that getting an abortion is killing because you're not killing a baby, and most times you're not even killing a fetus; you're killing a bunch of cells. I repeat myself: You can't kill something that has never lived. And if you're trying to say that you're against killing cells, then you really shouldn't have scratched that itch a few minutes ago, and you REALLY shouldn't masturbate

[herocatholic]

don't think that getting an abortion is killing because you're not killing a baby, and most times you're not even killing a fetus; you're killing a bunch of cells. I repeat myself: You can't kill something that has never lived.

So it really depends on when you perform the abortion on when you are or are not killing a fetus? Killing a fetus is not killing a bunch of cells anymore since a fetus has a heart and a brain and they are both work simotaneously in order to keep the fetus alive.

then you really shouldn't have scratched that itch a few minutes ago, and you REALLY shouldn't masturbate.

I laughed at that part. (however, the cells on my skin are already dead so it's okay to make that itch...masturbation on the other hand [despite the cells already being dead]...)

In addition, why does it always seem to be men that have a problem with abortions? Men don't understand what it's like to be female, what it's like to bleed and hurt every month, what it's like to be pregnant... To throw up every morning, to have something that's

[never2muchmusic]

I'm not going to try to explain myself again because you're obviously not open-minded enough to understand.

[herocatholic]

I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with what you said.