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bunnycaper October 7 2005, 18:19:38 UTC
You are my hero.
I hate that attitude.
I think, in some sense, that being a snobbish hipster is very simliar to being a part of Rachel McAdams' clique in Mean Girls. Just with different taste in music and fashion. They dictate where the coolest bars are, what the coolest records are... and people follow.
It really bothers me that a mentality like that would exist in a community (the punk rock one) whose roots are Elvis Costello, Talking Heads, and the Clash. Geez, David Byrne was (and still is) admired for his bizarre fashion, musical influences, etc. I am all for people finding their own way through creative expression.

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theyuck October 7 2005, 18:31:33 UTC
I think that this is an excellent point. Someone posted wondering whether or not "sacred heart" type tattoos were becoming cliche. Many people said yes, but then many others said (and I was heartened by this) does it really matter what other people think as long as YOU like it? I swear to you guys that not everyone posting on that community is a jerk, really.

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thegirlversion October 7 2005, 19:12:54 UTC
I wonder if anyone is reading all my long comments but anyway, I have been doing some reading on traditional tattoos and I think the whole concept of cliche is ridiculous. Way back in the 20's that's seriously all people got, nautical stars and ships and daggers and sacred hearts and blue birds of happiness etc. etc. etc. And they weren't all up in each other's grill about being original or cliche! They didn't care! In fact, a lot of people from the 20's and 30's all have popeye tattoos! Its kind of the mickey mouse of that era. I just think its dumb to write a whole tradition of tattooing because a bunch of people have the same thing, albiet in various interpretations.

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laxiola October 7 2005, 19:45:33 UTC
may sacred hearts and the blue bird of happiness live on in tattoo form forever! there are good reasons why the classics never die. seriously, who cares if some hipster-wannabe thinks it's cliche? you know what they say about opinions.

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thegirlversion October 7 2005, 19:10:17 UTC
Thanks girl.

I am with you there, I've been listening to a lot of Beat Happening and they were just anti-cool. Heather Lewis is the most uncool girl in all of indie rock and she is totally my hero. I happen to live in the most hipster neighborhood in Chicago, absolutely chock full of those people. Some of my non-indie rocker friends say that I am one but I don't think its true. I don't know anyone who is in a big national band, I am not "in" at all the events, I rarely go out to bars, I don't care who I'm seen with.

Sure I have a way I dress (a style all my own) and I like a lot of certain bands and hate a lot of certain other ones but I still am just not cool enough and that's absolutely fine with me.

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bunnycaper October 7 2005, 20:40:34 UTC
I think to be a person with a healthly amount of confidence, you must think you are cool. That what you listen to is neato, that your fashion sense is impeccable, etc. I can't stand when people make fun of others for their appearance, but at the same time, I am a huge fan of "What not to Wear," because the hosts are very positive and understand that clothes do make a difference in one's self esteem. To me, there really is a fine line between loving and respecting yourself and thinking you are God's gift ( ... )

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thegirlversion October 7 2005, 22:00:28 UTC
Dude - I spawned a thoughtful discussion! Rock ON!

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bunnycaper October 7 2005, 22:33:56 UTC
I know! A combination of the snobby thread, moving here, and watching a lot of bad television have all caused me to think about this topic quite a bit lately. Yay for you for getting it going!!!

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