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tectonite May 17 2007, 17:59:42 UTC
Excellent points. Because I'm a structural geologist from western North America, though, I'm going to nit-pick a little on point #1 (in the interests of making your argument stronger!).

The physiography of western North America was different in the Cretaceous, but there were mountains there. In fact, some studies of metamorphic rocks in Nevada suggest that there were much higher mountains there in the Cretaceous than there are now. And the high topography further to the east (Colorado, for instance) probably got its start in the latest Cretaceous/early Tertiary (Laramide orogeny). So western North American mountains, at least, probably aren't to blame for the change in Cenozoic climate. (The Himalayas, on the other hand, and the splitting of the Gondwana continents, especially Antartica - yeah, those are more the right time.)

There are some good paleogeographic maps of western North America done by Ron Blakey at Northern Arizona University -- I think they summarize the big picture as tectonicists (and the oil company geologists, as ( ... )

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theclimateblog May 17 2007, 18:27:52 UTC
Thank you! It's interesting, because paleoecologists and paleoclimatologists often throw around the idea of the Rocky and Sierra Nevada uplifts when they're talking about the biogeography and climate of North America - not being a geologist, this is the first I've heard that this area had mountains then! Usually people talk about it as though the mountains hadn't formed yet. I'm wondering if this is newish information, or if people just fill in the blanks (e.g., if the Sierra Nevadas and Rockies hand't formed, there must not have been anything there)? It was even a subject on my biogeography final exam (we were asked about grassland formation and Paleocene/Eocene cooling.

I'll edit my post accordingly. Thanks again for the geology lesson!

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tectonite May 17 2007, 18:55:36 UTC
I don't think it's new-ish - now I wish that I had an old Historical Geology textbook or something so that I could give a definite source. But I think even pre-plate tectonics historical geology courses would have talked about the Sevier (+ Nevadan) and Laramide orogenies (= mountain-building events). And in the 80's, when I was an undergrad, we talked about Andean-style tectonics in the late Mesozoic. The big tectonic events in the Tertiary made western North America less like the modern-day Andes - the subducting plate off western North America disappeared, and left California bounded by the San Andreas Fault instead of a subduction zone; and Nevada collapsed and spread horizontally, giving us the Great Basin between the Sierras and the Rockies ( ... )

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theclimateblog May 17 2007, 19:20:57 UTC
That's right - our humidity comes from maritime tropical (mT) air masses from the Gulf and Caribbean. Interestingly, though, I've read that the spikes in humidity associated with heat waves in the Midwest is possibly linked to corn farms, where corn adds moisture to the air through evapotranspiration.

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tectonite May 17 2007, 19:17:27 UTC
Here are references to an article and comment/reply about carbon storage related to continent-continent collision:

Selverstone, Jane and Gutzler, David S., 1993, Post-125 Ma carbon storage associated with continent-continent collision: Geology, Vol. 21, p. 885-888.

Kerrick, Derrill M; Caldeira, Ken; Selverstone, Jane; and Gutzler, David S, 1994, Post-125 Ma carbon storage associated with continent-continent collision; discussion and reply: Geology, vol.22, no.4, pp.381-383.

I remember thinking that the original paper was a really neat way to think about the problem. It deals with the Alps and Himalayas, not the western US, and it was pretty speculative. But it's still pretty interesting.

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theclimateblog May 17 2007, 19:22:38 UTC
Ooh, thanks! I've also read some of John Kutzbach and William Ruddiman's papers about the Tibetan Pleateau.

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tectonite May 5 2008, 09:34:21 UTC
To say that a climate or geophysical frontier 'evolves' is cringeworthy. A sort of conceptual synaesthesia, perhaps a bit like saying that the rock got more and more deaf with time.

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theclimateblog May 5 2008, 12:24:28 UTC
Hardly - we talk about landscape "evolution" over time. It's a common term in the geomorphology literature. The word itself, if you were to look it up in a dictionary, has multiple meanings, only one of which is related to biology. It's synonymous with development, often (but not always) in a directional sense.

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colleenexozy July 17 2008, 00:42:42 UTC
Fill in the blank yourself. It'll be more interesting that way. "Dick's the only one who could beat me.

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