To be perfectly honest, I think the vast majority of modern forms of dancing is blatantly immoral. Even some of the more "reserved" dancing (e.g. swing [?]) is not healthy at all. One of my friends has been involved heavily with dancing, and I've seen/heard enough to not like it. Many times the type of music is an indicator of the level of sensuality, I think.
Not all forms of dancing are bad, though. The Bible talks about dancing -- good and bad. Miriam and the other women danced, and that is put in a good light. So, women dancing with women is fine, and probably men with men -- though I doubt that would ever happen. It'd be a strange sight -- men dancing with men. Weird. I'm not so sure guys would do dancing just for the fun of it. --Anyway, the Bible also talks about David dancing by himself. That also was a good type dancing.
The problem is with mixed dancing. Though I've never danced before, I'm sure it could provoke improper feelings. That's the major problem with it. Though there may be some nearly harmless dances for women with men, with me, I'd rather be safe than sorry and avoid it. (Hmm, there was this one men-with-women, Jewish "dance" that my oldest sister did years ago, and it seemed pretty harmless, with very little contact between men and women. That was okay, IMO.)
My older sister thinks some kinds of dancing might be "fun," but give me sports any day. Well, like I said, I'm not the most coordinated in the world (dropping things at Publix and all), so maybe that's just an excuse as far as that goes. =P
I know what you mean about mixed dancing provoking improper feelings. Although I'm sure some people can handle situations like that just fine, I know that for myself, the physical contact would be a real struggle for me emotionally.
Now, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are regarding sensuality... as long as it is within the boundaries of a husband/wife type situation?
Hey, if you come to Summer's wedding, you're probably going to see some of that women dancin-with-women idea in the middle of the wedding. She's hoping to get a bunch of girls (maybe 30 or so?) to dress in white and do several jewish folk dances. ;)
... some people can handle situations like that just fine ...
Right -- after they become desensitized, anyway. Some are more sensitive than others, for one reason or another.
Hmm ... obviously sensuality, in dancing or otherwise, doesn't belong outside of a husband-wife relationship, and even in the context of marriage it should be self-controlled and primarily unselfish. But, in general, dancing for a husband and wife would be fine, I’d say. If that answers your question?
It sounds like it'll be an unusual wedding. =) My brother-in-law wanted to do a lot of unusual things, but he didn't really get the guts to do it all. He wanted to wear a robe at his wedding!
LOL. Grace didn't think it was too cool. I think that is primarily why he ditched the idea, actually.
The reason behind it was ... was ... ??? There was no good reason! =P If I were to guess, I'd say that he thought it was probably what was worn in the ancient Bible times. Maybe I'll ask him about that sometime.
Still, Michael did make it unique in his own way. He gave something like an extemporaneous sermon. He later felt that his nervousness resulted in an incoherent and rambling message -- though he forgot most of what he said. --So did I. =) Poor Grace. =P =D
(...I'm pretty sure that this comment was never e-mailed four days ago, so I'm reposting it. That was the time when there were no e-mailed comments, I believe. ...)
=D We had many laughs in recollection of the whole situation.
Speaking very generally, I'm not big on observing traditions (goes for the rest of the family) -- not that all tradition is to be shunned. Uniqueness is good.
But, personally, I like to have important things well planned. Unlike Michael, there's no way I'd give a message like that unprepared, so I guess I'm not the "out-of-the-box daring sort" in this case. LOL. (Well, I say unprepared, but undoubtedly he'd been reading and considering the pertinent Scripture verses.)
Okay, you know you can't get away with asking that question without giving your own personal view! =P =)
Oh, so you ask me?! Well, I'd have to say I am somewhat traditional in certain ways but very untraditional in others. When it comes to weddings, I really like Summer's creativity at times.
Examples of my rebellion against popular traditions: I dislike the Wedding march, or Cannon in D... I also dislike the idea of getting married in a church building, or repeating vows after a preacher. I really like the idea of music being highly involved in the ceremony, and the idea of extended days of celebration.
Yes, I was asking you, implicitly, except I know that the "out-of-the-box daring sort" didn't apply to you too well. I'm trying to understand your use of both a question mark and an exclamation point, there (?!). =) Ah, well...
Hmm, your idea of extended days of celebration is cool, and something that I've not heard of being done before. You could set the world's record for the longest wedding while you're at it! "The Month-Long Wedding" the newspapers would read... LOL.
Sorry I know this was posted awhile back but I'm catching up some today. ;)
I find it interesting that you would say that dancing even in marriage should be self controlled. I'm curious as to what you mean?
Oh, and good job on your score for being friendly! :) For some reason I had the impression that you were more introverted. Is that not true? (Not that introverted people aren't friendly...:) )
Okay, I really struggled in how to word my less than perfectly solidified thoughts about dancing for the married. Here's the basic premise: Some types of dancing (twist, maybe?) are entirely lewd and self-gratifying such that it's never good to practice. It's as simple as that.
My score for being friendly? Oh, you mean comments people have made on your post for thanking people? Hmm, I am quite introverted, actually, but hopefully that isn't mutually exclusive with friendliness. =P =) Truth be told, I've been more talkative on LJ than in "real" life, partly out of a desire to be encouraging.
Er (mild frustration =), I didn't mean to infer that. ... This has become a bit of an awkward discussion. Actually, I think we agree.
Seriously, I've not thought about dancing in the context of marriage before. IOW, I've been speaking off the top of my head on this issue, which isn't always the best idea. =/
Self-control and selflessness belong in all parts of our lives, including in the area of dancing, and certain types of dancing seemed to me at first thought to be improperly selfish (outside of marriage, as the world does it, that's true). But, now upon more thought, I frankly concede that you're probably right: That wouldn't necessarily be true in the context of marriage. I will consider this further.
Actually I was talking about your score from the test you took on this post... I guess I'll have to go look and see what others said about you on my thankfulness post. :)
Not all forms of dancing are bad, though. The Bible talks about dancing -- good and bad. Miriam and the other women danced, and that is put in a good light. So, women dancing with women is fine, and probably men with men -- though I doubt that would ever happen. It'd be a strange sight -- men dancing with men. Weird. I'm not so sure guys would do dancing just for the fun of it. --Anyway, the Bible also talks about David dancing by himself. That also was a good type dancing.
The problem is with mixed dancing. Though I've never danced before, I'm sure it could provoke improper feelings. That's the major problem with it. Though there may be some nearly harmless dances for women with men, with me, I'd rather be safe than sorry and avoid it. (Hmm, there was this one men-with-women, Jewish "dance" that my oldest sister did years ago, and it seemed pretty harmless, with very little contact between men and women. That was okay, IMO.)
My older sister thinks some kinds of dancing might be "fun," but give me sports any day. Well, like I said, I'm not the most coordinated in the world (dropping things at Publix and all), so maybe that's just an excuse as far as that goes. =P
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I know what you mean about mixed dancing provoking improper feelings. Although I'm sure some people can handle situations like that just fine, I know that for myself, the physical contact would be a real struggle for me emotionally.
Now, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are regarding sensuality... as long as it is within the boundaries of a husband/wife type situation?
Hey, if you come to Summer's wedding, you're probably going to see some of that women dancin-with-women idea in the middle of the wedding. She's hoping to get a bunch of girls (maybe 30 or so?) to dress in white and do several jewish folk dances. ;)
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Right -- after they become desensitized, anyway. Some are more sensitive than others, for one reason or another.
Hmm ... obviously sensuality, in dancing or otherwise, doesn't belong outside of a husband-wife relationship, and even in the context of marriage it should be self-controlled and primarily unselfish. But, in general, dancing for a husband and wife would be fine, I’d say. If that answers your question?
It sounds like it'll be an unusual wedding. =) My brother-in-law wanted to do a lot of unusual things, but he didn't really get the guts to do it all. He wanted to wear a robe at his wedding!
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What significance did he have behind the idea?
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The reason behind it was ... was ... ??? There was no good reason! =P If I were to guess, I'd say that he thought it was probably what was worn in the ancient Bible times. Maybe I'll ask him about that sometime.
Still, Michael did make it unique in his own way. He gave something like an extemporaneous sermon. He later felt that his nervousness resulted in an incoherent and rambling message -- though he forgot most of what he said. --So did I. =) Poor Grace. =P =D
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Are you the out-of-the-box daring sort? Or do you go for more traditional stuff?
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=D We had many laughs in recollection of the whole situation.
Speaking very generally, I'm not big on observing traditions (goes for the rest of the family) -- not that all tradition is to be shunned. Uniqueness is good.
But, personally, I like to have important things well planned. Unlike Michael, there's no way I'd give a message like that unprepared, so I guess I'm not the "out-of-the-box daring sort" in this case. LOL. (Well, I say unprepared, but undoubtedly he'd been reading and considering the pertinent Scripture verses.)
Okay, you know you can't get away with asking that question without giving your own personal view! =P =)
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Oh, so you ask me?! Well, I'd have to say I am somewhat traditional in certain ways but very untraditional in others. When it comes to weddings, I really like Summer's creativity at times.
Examples of my rebellion against popular traditions: I dislike the Wedding march, or Cannon in D... I also dislike the idea of getting married in a church building, or repeating vows after a preacher. I really like the idea of music being highly involved in the ceremony, and the idea of extended days of celebration.
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Hmm, your idea of extended days of celebration is cool, and something that I've not heard of being done before. You could set the world's record for the longest wedding while you're at it! "The Month-Long Wedding" the newspapers would read... LOL.
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A month long wedding, lol! That would make a good headline. =)
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I find it interesting that you would say that dancing even in marriage should be self controlled. I'm curious as to what you mean?
Oh, and good job on your score for being friendly! :) For some reason I had the impression that you were more introverted. Is that not true? (Not that introverted people aren't friendly...:) )
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My score for being friendly? Oh, you mean comments people have made on your post for thanking people? Hmm, I am quite introverted, actually, but hopefully that isn't mutually exclusive with friendliness. =P =) Truth be told, I've been more talkative on LJ than in "real" life, partly out of a desire to be encouraging.
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Seriously, I've not thought about dancing in the context of marriage before. IOW, I've been speaking off the top of my head on this issue, which isn't always the best idea. =/
Self-control and selflessness belong in all parts of our lives, including in the area of dancing, and certain types of dancing seemed to me at first thought to be improperly selfish (outside of marriage, as the world does it, that's true). But, now upon more thought, I frankly concede that you're probably right: That wouldn't necessarily be true in the context of marriage. I will consider this further.
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