Chapter Nineteen
The Lion and the Serpent
Useless Fact: This is the chapter I read first when I got my copy, purely on the basis of the title.
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Useless Fact: This is the chapter I read first when I got my copy, purely on the basis of the title.
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Heh. Because whiny tortured and unfairly treated marked-men always need motherly nurturing and emotional support from girls. That's why when they find a girl that they like, it's a bonus if she's exactly like their mother.
Ginny can be the light of his life, and help him work through his various issues (while also not expecting any help or support, or even fairness from him), which is why they will end up together. Ginny will be happy just doing everything for Harry's benefit. That's the way it should be.
'Crabbe and Goyle are in the same mould,' Harry assured her.That, and other related quotes, make me think that something will happen with Crabbe and Goyle sometime soon, and that no one will be expecting it. She seems to really hit us over the head with how stupid and trollish they are at least a hundred times in every book, and I don't really see the point of that, unless she's doing it to divert our attention from something. Against my better judgement, I really hope she ( ... )
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The thing about Ginny I mentioned above also reminds me of one of the previous thread titles for Orange Crush at FAP - "A Potter Prince and his Weasley Wench".
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I assume that Orange Crush is the name for the Harry/Ginny pairing. What is up with these bizarre names for all the het pairings? Granted, I read pretty much no het, but still...people throw these names around and I have no idea what anyone's talking about. Is there a master list somewhere?
I suppose I have no room to talk, as slash has such gem names as Snarry, Snupin, Snack, and Snaco. *g*
Thanks. :-D
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http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=d7735f9279a0fe6015b709c03a4c6f7a&forumid=36
And the slash names are as stupid as the het, there.
Neville/Harry is Woobies of Destiny, Harry/Draco is Guns and Handcuffs, Snape/Dean of all things is An Artist's Touch.
Mind you, hetwise, there's: R/Hr with the rather biased 'Good Ship', Fire and Ice, the weird H/Hr: Pumpkin Pie and competition for the H/D most fanonical nickname is D/Hr with 'Leather and Libraries' (poor Draco and Snape. Their names keep getting connected with weirdness like Snarry, Snack and leather pants.)
And Snape/Lily has a great one: SS. Cliched.
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Some of these I can sort of see, but some of them, like Pumpkin Pie, seem to have no relation to the pairing. Are they arbitrary?
But maybe that's just me.
Thanks for the link!
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Pumpkin Pie...Um it's a bit of an Americanism, but I think there's some pumpkins in PoA which is apparently a big H/Hr book (they fly off on Buckbeak, which is, I'm told 'A fairytale ending')
What's funny is that when the movie came out, there was a lot of - OMG! Pumpkins! It must be a shoutout!
Like when they had a dead ferret that they fed to Buckbeak, and there was lots of 'OMG foreshadowing!'
Um, yeah, of something a) everyone knew was going to happen and b) the frigging ferrets were also in the books!
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I like the part later where he assesses how she's not as good a Seeker as him (of course not, who could be?!) and of course, she plans to meekly step aside and play a less high-profile position.
I mean, I get that it would be kind of bratty for her to hang on to it, and that she isn't the player he is (although she's pretty close, Sue that she is) but I'd like her ten times better if she told him to piss off while she enjoyed a bit of the glory.
And yes, Ginny recalls every detail of Harry's life, whereas he can't remember her even being possessed.
There's a great precedent for a relationship, and one that is present in every single one of Harry's - it's all about him, and if you want any support or attention yourself from him? Too bad.
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I mean, I get that it would be kind of bratty for her to hang on to it, and that she isn't the player he is (although she's pretty close, Sue that she is) but I'd like her ten times better if she told him to piss off while she enjoyed a bit of the glory.
That's the one part that annoys me most, I think, in all the descriptions of Ginny so far (and this comes from someone who saw her as a stereotype already in CoS); that she's almost as good a Seeker as the hero, but not quite. And that she's oh-so-ready to step aside for the hero when he comes back. She's not allowed to be pose any kind of threat for him (or his ego) whatsoever, becaause if she posed an actual threat, or showed any kind of resistance, then she wouldn't be a very good girl now, would she? It's all about "making the man feel better", being there for him to ease his fall (ie, ( ... )
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It's a pattern present in a lot of Harry's relationships, that he has to be the very best; but that doesn't make it any healthier (look at H/Hr - she's smarter than him, it appears, but come OotP and she's maturely assessing that actually, he did better. And anyway, there's more important things! And of course, she's willing to be second-banana to him, and make sure that in the DA he has enough 'authority' - dude, she raises her hand to him.)
I love the end of OotP - ooh, look! Ginny hurt her ankle! Hermione's passed out! So's Tonks! And Luna! Thank goodness Harry has a fellow man to depend on.
See this is why slash is so popular in this particular fandom - neither Harry nor the author is apparently very fond of equality between the sexes.
At least enemyships mean that someone's trying to equal Harry, even though the decks are rigged; rather than meekly stepping aside.
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Not to mention, with all her "cleverness" and knowledge, she's always disabled one way or another by the end of the books, so that Harry can save the world on his own. PoA appears to be a jarring exception of this, since they both get to run out and save Sirius and Buckbeak (who is an Innocent!Animal, unlike you know, the animals who are guilty :D er, sorry, I just find the expression kind of funny regarding animals), but at least Harry gets to make his corporal patronos and save everybody else there.
And anyway, there's more important things!
"Like FRIENDSHIP and BRAVERY"
Thank goodness Harry has a fellow man to depend on.
Yeah well, that's Neville, so it doesn't count.
See this is why slash is so popular in this particular fandom - neither Harry nor the author is apparently very fond of equality between the sexes.Not that slash writers necesarily put more stock on "equality between genders" than Harry or ( ... )
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Ugh. That just reminds me of frigging Movie!Buckbeak - look how cute it is! (I love that bit in PoA about how Hagrid's had dangerous animals before, but this one's "positively cute" and seems "harmless". Presumably Norbert and Aragog were more dangerous since they hurt Gryffindors.) It nuzzles Harry and saves him and Hermione from the werewolf! Marvel at the stupid line about saving two innocent lives! Seriously.
My sister, who has no fandom interests whatever (she won't read the books, she sees the movies under duress, and loathes each character equally) was mystified by that.
'Uh. Didn't the bird thing bash the balding kid?'
'Yep.'
'So how does that make it innocent? Was it all an optical illusion?'
'I know! -'
''K, shut up now.'
Not that slash writers necesarily put more ( ... )
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True. I guess I cut them more slack because most are younger than JKR (I presume!) and may be unconsciously influenced by the text's presentationThe age thing is questionable, since fandom is of all ages, and I guess if it's one thing being in fandom has taught me, it's that age doesn't necessarily bring maturity, nor does it necessarily make a person more politically (and feministically) aware. But yes, no doubt are we all influenced by the source material, even if we try not to be. And an interesting question would be if readers are so willing to adapt the views on girls/women pesented in the books, because it really matches their own ideas, or whether they adapt the views because they are the ones presented in the books, and it's quite difficult to go ( ... )
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It reminded me of women's situation after the second (and in fact, even the first) World War, when they were "naturally" expected to return to homely stove and bed as soon as the men were back to take over the really important work, which miraculously the women had been able to do on top of raising their children under difficult conditions and without being trained to do so in the first place. Just like Ginny did extremely well without ever having practiced Quidditch before (because - surprise!- her dear brothers didn't let her, assuming she couldn't do it anyway)and don't tell me flying on a broom stick is sufficient training for playing - it's just like claiming a footballplayer got that good by running around whenever nobody was watching!
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