Yes! I was actually really happy to hear that from Jensen... maybe he'll knock some sense into the writers. And yeah, I have no doubt we owe a lot of what we saw (and maybe will see) to Jensen. His acting skills know no bounds :P
Yes, what you said there :o) I actually had that same question: why would Lisa accept Dean into her house? Especially with Ben? Why Dean? And my mom actually gave me a pretty good answer :oP She said that from Lisa's perspective, Dean saved her son's life... so, in affect, Dean's proven he can be the protector, and he showed that despite whatever he is, he's still trustworthy in that sense. Not solid, but it's something? But yes, I agree about her portrayal as a woman. I mean... I don't know... She wants a father figure for Ben, and I can understand that, but what else is she really gaining? And yeah, they were strangers so I'm still hung up as to why she accepted him so readily into her home, especially with all that he comes with. I mean, it's hard to be a single mom, but still. And she does come across as a little desperate to have a man (even if it's not just for herself). I don't know... we'll see how it goes (but again, part of me just wants her out of the picture so we don't have to worry about this anymore :P)
It'll be interesting how they handle Dean's double duty... I really don't want to see Sam picking him up at Lisa's at the start of every episode only to drop him off back at her house at the end of it. That's gonna get old really quickly. I'm interested to see how they do this, and a lil worried. But we'll see? Seeing how they end this double duty's going to be crazy interesting... I just hope it ends and that the separation is final, with no "oh God, Lisa was killed because of me! *angst about Lisa for the rest of the series*" or "Well, I'm just gonna go say hi to Lisa and Ben just for kicks since we're in the area." Ack... *is a little nervous* I can't see Dean resisting the hunting life for long, but how that comes about? I have no clue right now.
lol, yeah... the episode was a bit jumbled/rushed... they just had to fit SO MUCH into one episode to kick things off... it's crazy. They djinn didn't even appear until, like, 2/3 of the way through the episode lol.
But yeah, Castiel's return is gonna have me fidgety for the next two weeks. I should stay calm and just not think about it, because I don't want to get hyped up and then let down, but... ah! I can't help it... I know I've said it, but I'm gonna keep saying it, but the reunion better be kick ass! :oP
Exactly :o) Things could've been a whole lot worse, and I'm just so relieved that they didn't go that way.
Ahh! Cas with a baby!! D: Oh man... You had to remind me, lol :oP There will have to be fanfic after this episode *starts plotting*
Yeah, I get that Dean saved her son and she is very thankful for that and in her (and Ben's) eyes he is a Hero. I understand that, but I still think there's a selfish element to it too, and it came across like she didn't really care for Dean and more the symbol of what he represents to her son. I do understand her wanting a father figure for Ben, I just wonder why suddenly when he is ten years old when she had been this strong single mom type in S3. I feel like she is still a very flat character and we don't really get a feel like there is anything beyond each of their reasons for being in that relationship. (Which I'm glad of...I'm glad there isn't a genuine connection there. But it makes me just want her off the screen rather than just taking up time).
Nah, I don't want that either. I want for Dean to realise that hunting is his calling again (he's never fully been able to run away from that) and for Lisa to get a little frustrated with Dean leaving. I want them to realise things aren't right and go their separate ways without huge drama or death being involved. I don't want the angst. Not over Lisa. But yeah, I am still nervous about that too.
They did. There was a lot going on and I think that's why it wasn't the best of Season openers (I still liked it more than I did S3's opener, which I just felt was a bit...blah). Personally I liked the Djinn, monster-wise, I'd have liked to have seen them explored in more depth, but I get what they were going for.
Same here! Lol. I don't want to get too hyped up about it but at the same time it is Cas and I miss him! THE REUNION MUST KICK ASS! MUST!!
I'm sorry...but it was totally going to be on my mind the whole time I watch it... Fanfic would be good :D *encourages*
Awesome!Jensen icon demonstrates that wonderfully! <3!!
Lisa definitely came off as selfish there. I can understand her motives, but... still. She is thinking about herself, and not about what Dean really needs. (Maybe we'll see a scene where she sees Dean saving someone, and needing to save people, and she tells him to go... because she's realized he's really meant to be hunting :oP)
But yes... Lisa is still being treated as a symbol, and tbh I think for Dean and Lisa they are that for each other... She and Ben are the family (even if Ben has affection for Ben), and he's the father figure. I can't see how they'd take it beyond that, at this point. They set up their relationship in this first episode. (the shipper in me is still cheering since friday :oP) But I totally agree that she should either mean something or just be taken out. She's not adding anything to a show where everything should (and usually does) mean something. It's a shame.
Oh man... I think Dean and Lisa splitting up is the thing I'm most worried about this season. Whether it'll be amicable, a solid split, a half maybe-I'll-see-you-again split, an angsty fiery death split... there's just so many possibilities, and I just... don't want her to be around for the rest of the show. *sigh* The split could be so simple and angst free, and it would still be a source of grief for Dean, if that makes sense. I just hope they don't try to add to it.
Oh, I definitely liked the djinn as well :) It was interesting see the altered form of them... it makes me excited to see what else is coming in terms of monsters (and why they're all like that :)
If I said it once, I'll say it again... REUNION MUST BE THE REUNION TO END ALL REUNIONS!!!!
*ahem*
lol, it's totally ok :oP I need to prep for it. hehe, yay fanfic! :oP I think I'm gonna challenge myself to write it, just for kicks lol.
I can understand her motives too, and I get what they were going for but I will always side with Dean on this I think. And it bothered me that this woman who he gave up everything for apparently doesn't see all he is going through.
(Lol! the shipper in me has been nothing but happy since Saturday because I just didn't see the Dean/Lisa at all <33 and I don't care if some other parts of the fandom do, I think they are deluded) With Lisa, I still feel a bit like this is Sera forcing her in. I don't think she really fits and forcing that through Dean isn't going to make us like her.
Yes! This is my big fear for the season at the moment too. I don't know how they are going to handle this Dean and Lisa thing. I am with you though, I don't want her around for the rest of the show and I don't want it to be all angsty...I don't want Dean angsting over her, but I have a horrible feeling that's the way it's going to go. I just don't want her to die. I don't want her to become that kind of symbol for Dean too, he would never move on. He would become his father. And I don't want that for Dean...it has always been key that despite Dean idolising his father, he is not him. I think that yeah, they could have the split simple and angst free and it would be good (and yes, I get what you mean about Dean's grief, it would be him moving on from what isn't his).
CAS' RETURN MUST BE EPIC! THERE MUST BE EYE-SMEXING AND SHIRT-UNTUCKING AND ALL WILL BE WELL WITH THE WORLD!
Hmm that's another good point. I mean... I guess Lisa's not really understanding what Dean gave up/went through is just showing the WIDE gap between hunters and "regular" people. She won't understand, she can't understand, and that's going to be something that separates Dean from her and the rest of "normal" society. If he wanted to be someone else, or had nothing left, or didn't want to hunt/didn't feel the need/urge to hunt, maybe that's something he could live with. But we've seen already that he can't. And it's something he's going to have to contend with.
lol! My shipper self (which is a large part of myself :oP) has been jumping for joy as well :) I can understand liking Lisa, or not hating her, but really there isn't a lot of chemistry between them. At least not now, even if there was in the past (which... I don't really see, either). So yeah... delusion is a large part of that for some lol. But yes, I think it's just a gimmick to get a new storyline going... that's what I'm convinced it is, and unless we see a drastic change in their relationship or in Dean's character, I think it will continue to be that way.
Exactly. I don't want Lisa to become Sam's Jess or John's Mary. Because then you see a kind of sanctifying going on, and that's the last thing I want (and I don't think Lisa's character has earned that right, tbh). But oh boy... seeing Dean become his father? I don't want that either. Like you said! Dean idolizes his father, but he isn't him... he can see John's faults and realizes how much of a shitty father John really was, even though he tried his best (I rewatched Dream a Little Dream of Me last night, and that clip with Dean telling DreamDemon!Dean off is exactly it :) So I really hope the writers are with us on this and pay Dean the proper respect they should.
A simple, angst free split would be best. In my opinion, it would pay Dean the proper respect he deserves as a character... I don't know if that makes sense, but yeah... He's been through so much, and we have seen him mature (or try to mature), and I think seeing him realize that this isn't his life, he isn't to blame, that he actually can walk away in favor of finding his own life that he really wants would not only show amazing growth for Dean, but show growth that he deserves and has been working towards the entire series. So... this is what I'm hoping for. *crosses fingers*
SHIRT UNTUCKING!!!!! *FLAILS* *GOES TO REREAD YOUR SHIRT UNTUCKING FIC* IF THIS IS NOT EPIC I WILL SMITE A BITCH.
Yesm exactly. There is no way she could ever understand everything that Dean has been though, and I think that serves to distance them. And I agree, I never saw that chemistry even in S3, it just wasn't there for me (though I understood, then, when she said he could stay a little longer because he had just saved her son). I agree with you, and I really hope they go back to writing Dean the way he was before, because changing him to fit this storyline just isn't working.
Exactamundo *nods* I think it would be so completely tragic for Dean to become his father, especially after Bobby yelling at him that he's not his father, that he's a better man than his dad ever was.
I agree, I think it would be better to have an easy split, and for Dean to realise that he doesn't fit that life, it isn't his and things don't need to end shitty just for him to accept that and walk away. I hope for this too! *clings*
Mmhmm... yes to all of this. I guess it just leaves me asking where they're going to end all of this. I mean... they better make the split between Lisa and Dean amicable, and I'm really hoping it comes rather soon. And yes, they better follow up with Bobby's "You're a better man than your daddy ever was!" because guh!! Bobby!! *wibbles*
*sigh* yeah, idk... I'm curious, because for Dean, I feel like the focus for him (and the brothers) has been dealing with living with the other, adapting, accepting or not accepting the other... seeing each other as men instead of the boys they were. So it'll be interesting to see if the writers develop the characters in the direction where they are comfy with each other, but still have their own lives. Or... yes? No? I can see Dean manning up and realizing his life is HIS (I think that'll be the biggest character development for him), but it'll be interesting to see how the character dynamics change.
Eep! Geeze, this is such a big thing for the boys, and now that I realize it, I'm excited and nervous lol. We'll see!
Yes, what you said there :o) I actually had that same question: why would Lisa accept Dean into her house? Especially with Ben? Why Dean? And my mom actually gave me a pretty good answer :oP She said that from Lisa's perspective, Dean saved her son's life... so, in affect, Dean's proven he can be the protector, and he showed that despite whatever he is, he's still trustworthy in that sense. Not solid, but it's something? But yes, I agree about her portrayal as a woman. I mean... I don't know... She wants a father figure for Ben, and I can understand that, but what else is she really gaining? And yeah, they were strangers so I'm still hung up as to why she accepted him so readily into her home, especially with all that he comes with. I mean, it's hard to be a single mom, but still. And she does come across as a little desperate to have a man (even if it's not just for herself). I don't know... we'll see how it goes (but again, part of me just wants her out of the picture so we don't have to worry about this anymore :P)
It'll be interesting how they handle Dean's double duty... I really don't want to see Sam picking him up at Lisa's at the start of every episode only to drop him off back at her house at the end of it. That's gonna get old really quickly. I'm interested to see how they do this, and a lil worried. But we'll see? Seeing how they end this double duty's going to be crazy interesting... I just hope it ends and that the separation is final, with no "oh God, Lisa was killed because of me! *angst about Lisa for the rest of the series*" or "Well, I'm just gonna go say hi to Lisa and Ben just for kicks since we're in the area." Ack... *is a little nervous* I can't see Dean resisting the hunting life for long, but how that comes about? I have no clue right now.
lol, yeah... the episode was a bit jumbled/rushed... they just had to fit SO MUCH into one episode to kick things off... it's crazy. They djinn didn't even appear until, like, 2/3 of the way through the episode lol.
But yeah, Castiel's return is gonna have me fidgety for the next two weeks. I should stay calm and just not think about it, because I don't want to get hyped up and then let down, but... ah! I can't help it... I know I've said it, but I'm gonna keep saying it, but the reunion better be kick ass! :oP
Exactly :o) Things could've been a whole lot worse, and I'm just so relieved that they didn't go that way.
Ahh! Cas with a baby!! D: Oh man... You had to remind me, lol :oP There will have to be fanfic after this episode *starts plotting*
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Yeah, I get that Dean saved her son and she is very thankful for that and in her (and Ben's) eyes he is a Hero. I understand that, but I still think there's a selfish element to it too, and it came across like she didn't really care for Dean and more the symbol of what he represents to her son.
I do understand her wanting a father figure for Ben, I just wonder why suddenly when he is ten years old when she had been this strong single mom type in S3. I feel like she is still a very flat character and we don't really get a feel like there is anything beyond each of their reasons for being in that relationship. (Which I'm glad of...I'm glad there isn't a genuine connection there. But it makes me just want her off the screen rather than just taking up time).
Nah, I don't want that either. I want for Dean to realise that hunting is his calling again (he's never fully been able to run away from that) and for Lisa to get a little frustrated with Dean leaving. I want them to realise things aren't right and go their separate ways without huge drama or death being involved. I don't want the angst. Not over Lisa. But yeah, I am still nervous about that too.
They did. There was a lot going on and I think that's why it wasn't the best of Season openers (I still liked it more than I did S3's opener, which I just felt was a bit...blah). Personally I liked the Djinn, monster-wise, I'd have liked to have seen them explored in more depth, but I get what they were going for.
Same here! Lol. I don't want to get too hyped up about it but at the same time it is Cas and I miss him! THE REUNION MUST KICK ASS! MUST!!
I'm sorry...but it was totally going to be on my mind the whole time I watch it... Fanfic would be good :D *encourages*
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Lisa definitely came off as selfish there. I can understand her motives, but... still. She is thinking about herself, and not about what Dean really needs. (Maybe we'll see a scene where she sees Dean saving someone, and needing to save people, and she tells him to go... because she's realized he's really meant to be hunting :oP)
But yes... Lisa is still being treated as a symbol, and tbh I think for Dean and Lisa they are that for each other... She and Ben are the family (even if Ben has affection for Ben), and he's the father figure. I can't see how they'd take it beyond that, at this point. They set up their relationship in this first episode. (the shipper in me is still cheering since friday :oP) But I totally agree that she should either mean something or just be taken out. She's not adding anything to a show where everything should (and usually does) mean something. It's a shame.
Oh man... I think Dean and Lisa splitting up is the thing I'm most worried about this season. Whether it'll be amicable, a solid split, a half maybe-I'll-see-you-again split, an angsty fiery death split... there's just so many possibilities, and I just... don't want her to be around for the rest of the show. *sigh* The split could be so simple and angst free, and it would still be a source of grief for Dean, if that makes sense. I just hope they don't try to add to it.
Oh, I definitely liked the djinn as well :) It was interesting see the altered form of them... it makes me excited to see what else is coming in terms of monsters (and why they're all like that :)
If I said it once, I'll say it again... REUNION MUST BE THE REUNION TO END ALL REUNIONS!!!!
*ahem*
lol, it's totally ok :oP I need to prep for it. hehe, yay fanfic! :oP I think I'm gonna challenge myself to write it, just for kicks lol.
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(Lol! the shipper in me has been nothing but happy since Saturday because I just didn't see the Dean/Lisa at all <33 and I don't care if some other parts of the fandom do, I think they are deluded) With Lisa, I still feel a bit like this is Sera forcing her in. I don't think she really fits and forcing that through Dean isn't going to make us like her.
Yes! This is my big fear for the season at the moment too. I don't know how they are going to handle this Dean and Lisa thing. I am with you though, I don't want her around for the rest of the show and I don't want it to be all angsty...I don't want Dean angsting over her, but I have a horrible feeling that's the way it's going to go. I just don't want her to die. I don't want her to become that kind of symbol for Dean too, he would never move on. He would become his father. And I don't want that for Dean...it has always been key that despite Dean idolising his father, he is not him.
I think that yeah, they could have the split simple and angst free and it would be good (and yes, I get what you mean about Dean's grief, it would be him moving on from what isn't his).
CAS' RETURN MUST BE EPIC! THERE MUST BE EYE-SMEXING AND SHIRT-UNTUCKING AND ALL WILL BE WELL WITH THE WORLD!
I can live in hope, yes?
Yay! I totally look forward to that :)
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lol! My shipper self (which is a large part of myself :oP) has been jumping for joy as well :) I can understand liking Lisa, or not hating her, but really there isn't a lot of chemistry between them. At least not now, even if there was in the past (which... I don't really see, either). So yeah... delusion is a large part of that for some lol. But yes, I think it's just a gimmick to get a new storyline going... that's what I'm convinced it is, and unless we see a drastic change in their relationship or in Dean's character, I think it will continue to be that way.
Exactly. I don't want Lisa to become Sam's Jess or John's Mary. Because then you see a kind of sanctifying going on, and that's the last thing I want (and I don't think Lisa's character has earned that right, tbh). But oh boy... seeing Dean become his father? I don't want that either. Like you said! Dean idolizes his father, but he isn't him... he can see John's faults and realizes how much of a shitty father John really was, even though he tried his best (I rewatched Dream a Little Dream of Me last night, and that clip with Dean telling DreamDemon!Dean off is exactly it :) So I really hope the writers are with us on this and pay Dean the proper respect they should.
A simple, angst free split would be best. In my opinion, it would pay Dean the proper respect he deserves as a character... I don't know if that makes sense, but yeah... He's been through so much, and we have seen him mature (or try to mature), and I think seeing him realize that this isn't his life, he isn't to blame, that he actually can walk away in favor of finding his own life that he really wants would not only show amazing growth for Dean, but show growth that he deserves and has been working towards the entire series. So... this is what I'm hoping for. *crosses fingers*
SHIRT UNTUCKING!!!!! *FLAILS* *GOES TO REREAD YOUR SHIRT UNTUCKING FIC* IF THIS IS NOT EPIC I WILL SMITE A BITCH.
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Exactamundo *nods* I think it would be so completely tragic for Dean to become his father, especially after Bobby yelling at him that he's not his father, that he's a better man than his dad ever was.
I agree, I think it would be better to have an easy split, and for Dean to realise that he doesn't fit that life, it isn't his and things don't need to end shitty just for him to accept that and walk away. I hope for this too! *clings*
LOL! YOU KNOW IT HAS TO HAPPEN!
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*sigh* yeah, idk... I'm curious, because for Dean, I feel like the focus for him (and the brothers) has been dealing with living with the other, adapting, accepting or not accepting the other... seeing each other as men instead of the boys they were. So it'll be interesting to see if the writers develop the characters in the direction where they are comfy with each other, but still have their own lives. Or... yes? No? I can see Dean manning up and realizing his life is HIS (I think that'll be the biggest character development for him), but it'll be interesting to see how the character dynamics change.
Eep! Geeze, this is such a big thing for the boys, and now that I realize it, I'm excited and nervous lol. We'll see!
YESS!! IT HAS TOOOOO!!!
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