Lovely Meta~ I love Cameron because she IS a "Freak". Her child-like moments ("Here's a tight present" XD) make her character tragic at times because she seems so human and almost capable to learning how to have a soul but yeah... we all know she can't. :-\
Also, I don't think John and Cam will have an actual relationship (omg robot!smex???) but do you think John will develop deeper feelings for Cam? IMO, I think it kinda makes sense because he's had issues with emotional attatchments with terminators before.
I've always thought that Cameron/John was a foregone conclusion - given the respective ages of the actors, and the amazing dramatic potential in that kind of a story. Because the show isn't decided on exactly how "human" Cameron is (unlike the creators of Battlestar Galactica, who've made clear that they think the Cylons have as much a soul, potential for moral judgment, culture, etc. as we do), you'd get all sorts of issues popping up in SCC that you wouldn't get in BSG.
John is already behaving towards Cameron like she's more than a robot - the pretense of her being his sister helps, and the fact that John has few friends, none that he can talk honestly with. She fills the void of sister/friend. He treats her like family; he trusts her more than Sarah or Derek do; and he is always patient with her, explaining what she doesn't understand, and trying to understand her in return.
And what I love the most about Cameron is that unlike other robots that Lizzen loves, she doesn't really WANT to be human or remembers being human or has been tricked into thinking she's human - she's definitely a Terminator and she embraces her identity - but she also embraces change and is very willing to become more "human"-like. She doesn't blindly follow all instruction, she makes decisions (which SkyNet is very specific in not wanting their Terminators to think for themselves and adapt, seyz the T2 special edition), she is growing personality. In that I ship her with John, I think she's growing into an almost dependent relationship with this human that she's programmed to protect. Having him fall in love with her is easy; trying to figure out why Summer Glau is very specific that she's playing Cameron as in love with John Connor -- that's where I find her so very compelling.
she's definitely a Terminator and she embraces her identity
I was just thinking about this while brushing my teeth:
BSG's deep-down message about humans/cylons seems to be, "The enemy is human, even though you don't think they are." (And of course, I've predicted for more than two seasons that the final twist will be that the "humans" in BSG are in fact an older race of "cylons" who've forgotten their own origins.)
SCC meanwhile does make a qualitative distinction; the machines are different in levels of complexity, and there's almost a spectrum of "humanity", which is actually more realistic. And Cameron is an individual (like Skynet is also an individual), she has an identity different from the rest, and she's exploring the freedom John has given her - to learn about humans, to eat and sleep and be treated like a human being.
Ooh, love this! Especially when you bring up "compromise." What will his attachment to Cameron drive him to? He's already made so many sacrifices, and time is his to play with. I'd also dying to see more reactions to his behavior from those who survived Judgment Day. We already know that he supposedly has no friends, and his soldiers think he's at least a little insane.
Thanks also for the rec! I refuse to see future!John as anything but trapped by his own endless calculations. *scurries off to read*
I want to write more about the post-apoc society, but at the same time, am reluctant to do so. Canon may or may not have deformed babies, a huge gender imbalance, martial law, euthanasia of the infirm, a cult of vengeance, etc. I'd rather wait and find out, so I know what I'm writing to, if it's going to be a reaction.
I wonder about those things myself. It really comes down to what the TSCC writers are willing to do with their post-apocalyptic world building. I'd love for them to go to some very dark, complex places, but it is FOX after all.
I still don't understand really how alternate universes/time-travel in Terminator works yet - or whether it's possible for it to work in a consistent way while still making the character's decisions meaningful. For example, if there are multiple, whether finite or infinite, timelines which co-exist, then what would be the motivation behind sending someone BACK in time to begin with? You would only create a separate timeline which you would have no way to access from the future; it doesn't affect your situation here and now. You might prevent Judgment Day in some other timeline - make things better for your Other Self (ie. the presentday John we are seeing) - but where you are (the future!John), Judgment Day has still been and went. By this theory, John is not so much being saved by his own future self as by an alternate self, one existing on an independent - and unreachable - timeline
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I have a ridiculously convoluted meta-ish type post in the works to tackle that one. I agree with you, future!John has nothing to gain by sending people back except the knowledge that he might create a better pattern for his Other*. But what about the future!John we are dealing with in this show? How was his timeline affected by the infinite other future!Johns that existed? I definitely think there's an element of selfishness that creeps in over and over again, and it seems that our John will have the opportunity to continue to cycle or destroy it.
*Well, that and being fathered by Kyle. That's a whole other mess...
I agree- I love the characterization of future!John as complex and difficult. When Derek said that they got drunk on his birthday, it just didn't fly with me.
Me neither. I wonder if Derek was just lying to cheer John up. Just what was Derek's place in John's inner circle - whether he's in it at all - is all very debatable. Cameron just says that Derek was one of John's "best soldiers" - nothing about how close they were. We only have Derek's word on that.
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Also, I don't think John and Cam will have an actual relationship (omg robot!smex???) but do you think John will develop deeper feelings for Cam? IMO, I think it kinda makes sense because he's had issues with emotional attatchments with terminators before.
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John is already behaving towards Cameron like she's more than a robot - the pretense of her being his sister helps, and the fact that John has few friends, none that he can talk honestly with. She fills the void of sister/friend. He treats her like family; he trusts her more than Sarah or Derek do; and he is always patient with her, explaining what she doesn't understand, and trying to understand her in return.
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And what I love the most about Cameron is that unlike other robots that Lizzen loves, she doesn't really WANT to be human or remembers being human or has been tricked into thinking she's human - she's definitely a Terminator and she embraces her identity - but she also embraces change and is very willing to become more "human"-like. She doesn't blindly follow all instruction, she makes decisions (which SkyNet is very specific in not wanting their Terminators to think for themselves and adapt, seyz the T2 special edition), she is growing personality. In that I ship her with John, I think she's growing into an almost dependent relationship with this human that she's programmed to protect. Having him fall in love with her is easy; trying to figure out why Summer Glau is very specific that she's playing Cameron as in love with John Connor -- that's where I find her so very compelling.
Oh, and also: DOOMED.
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I was just thinking about this while brushing my teeth:
BSG's deep-down message about humans/cylons seems to be, "The enemy is human, even though you don't think they are." (And of course, I've predicted for more than two seasons that the final twist will be that the "humans" in BSG are in fact an older race of "cylons" who've forgotten their own origins.)
SCC meanwhile does make a qualitative distinction; the machines are different in levels of complexity, and there's almost a spectrum of "humanity", which is actually more realistic. And Cameron is an individual (like Skynet is also an individual), she has an identity different from the rest, and she's exploring the freedom John has given her - to learn about humans, to eat and sleep and be treated like a human being.
And yes: SO VERY DOOMED!
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Thanks also for the rec! I refuse to see future!John as anything but trapped by his own endless calculations. *scurries off to read*
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the worst Fox can do is prove us wrong.
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ISN'T THAT RIGHT, JOHN?
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*Well, that and being fathered by Kyle. That's a whole other mess...
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