Are We Human, Or Are We Dancers?
Originally, a myspace bulletin/yahoo answers bulletin, which I edited down for content so as not to seem so angry. Lawl. Um... But I wanted to retain it, so I keep here.
~Zack~
First of all.
w00t! Barrack Obama!
Secondly... w00t Medical Marijuana in michigan, and stem cell research!
Thirdly... BOO! Proposition 8(in Cali), while it hasn't officially passed yet from what I know.. looks like it will. For all of you who voted against it. Thank you. For all you who voted for it. GO FUCK YOURSELVES WITH A GIANT BARBED BLACK DILDO YOU BIGOTED FUCKS.
Are you really fucking serious? Some of the stuff I see people write and hear people say is absolutely ridiculous. "I'm not against gays.. but they shouldn't barge in on a strictly hetero thing" Yeah the fuck right... and strictly hetero? You're delusional, sir. Maybe you should move to the middle east.. I'm sure your bigoted views would be much more appreciated there.
Words of hate, and my replies:
"Like some people, I don't have anything against gays, but when the system tries to teach it in our schools, then that's where I have the problem. If the gays get their victory fine with me, just don't force it on our children.
"
RE: This kind of thinking is about as intelligent as well... a fucking rock. Actually, a rock would be smarter... cause it wouldn't fucking care. Stupid sheep. You all listen and follow propaganda so well. Go join the army, it needs more robots. Proposition 8 had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with teaching kids homosexuality in school, you dumb shits. Learn the facts. Besides... homosexuality shouldn't be taught in schools.. neither should heterosexuality, fucking tolerance and understanding of all people should be.
I'm sure you, like sarah palin... really tolerate those gays don'tcha? You just love em.
and two more which kinda really pissed me off:
"all men ARE created equal. but marriage has always meant a union between man and woman. it predates government. the government didn't create it, and therefore shouldn't be able to redefine it. study after study shows that relationships between men and women are more stable than those of same-sex couples. violence and disease are more widespread among homosexual couples. kids are better off when raised by a MOTHER and a FATHER.
again, all men are created equal. but by FORCING the majority to cater to the minority is creating a tyranny of tolerance. they expect everyone else to be tolerant of their wishes, but what of the wishes of the majority? it's the outspoken minority that needs to accept what others see as moral and right.
"
RE: You are a bigoted, uninformed, moron who should be sterilized. Marriage has been redefined by so many cultures throughout the world and time. It has not always been between one man and one woman. You are dead wrong. Historically inaccurate.
Secondly, marriage does NOT predate government you fucking retard. Read a history book. Go the fuck back to school. Or better yet, do us all a favor and just kill yourself. Marriage was originally established in Sumeria with the written code of laws, scripted by their "god king" Hammurabi. Religion didn't create marriage. Government did, and government should be able to redefine it to the point to allow equal rights for all citizens. I am not a lesser person than you because I like guys. Get off your fucking pedestal, before i knock you the fuck off.
Thirdly, study after study has shown what!? No, no, and NO! I don't know what studies you're reading... perhaps ones done by the christian evangelical right, or possibly the KKK, maybe Nazi studies... but I'd say those are all fairly inaccurate. According to real studies, by actual professionals in the fields of sociology and psychology the truth of the matter is.. same sex couples have proven to be more stable... we can't get married... we stay with each other when we have no actual legal or religious binding.. aside from the fact, how is my relationship's stability any of your fucking business? Should I come into your home, evaluate your marriage, decide that you two are unstable.. and therefore, shouldn't be allowed to marry? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either subject us to certain questions and procedures, and in turn be subjected to it also.. or you shut your fucking mouth and put up with it.
Violence and disease are more widespread among homosexuals? Wrong again. Statistically, according to the American Medical Association, the majority of STD related diseases(including HIV/AIDS) is most prevalent among poor, heterosexual, african american, females. The second most prevalent group, statistically, is middle class white males(statistically, most gay males fall into the upper class bracket). So, yeah, shut the fuck up about things you have no clue about. and violence? Haha... most gay people are pacifist and even those who aren't are at least both the same sex and can fight on an even ground if violence does occur. Need I even mention all the cases of domestic abuse, etc that go on every year with heterosexual couples in america.... how about with the middle east... or africa...?
Also, kids are best off when raised in a loving, educational, nurturing environment where they get attention, time, devotion, and all their needs met... according to psychologists and sociologists.. it has nothing to do with being raised by an man and a woman. On that note, should single mothers/fathers have their custody taken away? Learn to use some logic. Divorce rates are so high, that most children end up with one parent households now a days anyways.
Forcing the majority to cater to the minority? You almost sound like a KKK member now. I guess desegregation was forcing the majority to cater to the minority then too huh? And before you even try to say "But gay people choose to be gay." Once again, you are INCORRECT. Psychologists, biologists, and many other scientists have been studying this, and the human genome in general, for years. All evidence points towards the fact that gay people don't CHOOSE to be gay. It's not a side effect of environmental factors either. It is BIOLOGICAL. Gay people's brains(in the womb, and throughout life development) are more similarly structured to that of someone of the opposite sex. Think of it as nature's way of population control. Aside from the fact that gay people have always been there, in every culture, in every age... even some animals exhibit homosexual tendencies. Are they immoral too? The phrase "tyranny of tolerance" is laughable. Fuck you. Everyone is created equal, and deserves equal rights. You need to be tolerant, whether or not you want to be. Belief me, I tolerate your ass, and other people like you. Extend the same courtesy.
Lastly.... the minority needs to accept the majority's views of morality etc? That same argument was purported against black people for many years. Aside from that, lets think about this for a second. Morality has to do with religion. Religion does not have to do with government. Marriage is a legally binding contract. Marriage has to do with government. What you define as moral, is not my definition. In fact, I see you as the immoral person because you spread hate. You can't pick one thing from your bible, and ignore the rest. Sorry. The end, is not supported by the means. It's all or nothing. You just want to use something from your religion as a valid legal reason. Well, if you're gonna do that.. then you better follow all the other laws in that book too.. which, I know, without even knowing you, that you don't. So just stop. Stop with the hate. Stop with the pointed logic. Stop with the zealotry.. and the trying to force your religion upon others. You're as bad as those zealotrous muslim terrorists. Muslims don't belief what those terrorists do. The terrorists are a direct effect of zealotry. When you take your religion too far, and try to force it on others.. you create violence, misunderstanding, and hate.
This argument on gay marriage isn't about morality. That's a religious debate, which you would still be wrong about(I went to catholic school for 10 years.. I know the bible front to back... and your conclusions are not only selective and pointed, but flat out incorrect, a misinterpretation to fit your hate). It is about equality of all peoples. Whether or not I love someone, and want to be with them is none of your fucking business. At all. Your marriage isn't any of my business either. All we want is equality of rights when we want to be devoted to someone.
This one... ugh:
"uh i couldn't find any sources
but i hope it does
sorry if i offend any gays
but i don't believe sodomy, and a twisted morale behavior should be held with such high regard
i have gay friends and they are chill and what not
but i still don't believe they should call them being together a marriage
anywhere else in the world will say a marriage is between man and woman, so why should america be the first to allow such behavior
is it not enough that they can be gay and not be discriminated
.
they have rights so why are they are pushing it
all in all, if they were to call them being together something other than a marriage, it would be ok, and i don't mean perfectly fine, i just think more acceptable
maybe they should call it a union or something along those lines, but marriage is SYMBOLIC term world wide
So for those who are against prop 8, i want to hear what you have against this
and none of that "heteros have a higher divorce rate crap"
you are making yourself look ignorant
allowing a few "queers" to marry and divorce after they are fighting for the right to marry for practicing unnormal practices
All in all
Yes on prop 8
protect what little morale standards america has left"
RE:
When you open your mouth and spew that crap you only show just how uninformed and ignorant you are.
First of all, I hope you die slowly and painfully. Even though I don't believe in hell... I sure hope there's a special place reserved in it for people like you.
Secondly, sodomy is originally defined as sex forced upon a person, male or femal, heterosexual, or homosexual. Sodomy is essentially rape. Nothing else. I'm against sodomy also. But I know what the fuck it actually means.
Thirdly, twisted morals? Love is a twisted moral? Are you retarded? Aside from the fact that morals, and your religious beliefs have NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT, EQUALITY OF RIGHTS, OR OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL RIGHTS AND ABILITIES! Keep your religion to yourself you fucking Nazi. How would you like it if I tried to force my pagan religious beliefs upon you(not that that would ever happen cause we believe in "Live, and let live as long as it harm none")!? You wouldn't would you? How bout if a muslim tried to force their beliefs on you? That might make you really mad. Treat others as you wish to be treated(and that comes from your own bible, douchnozzle). Cut the fucking zealotry. Cut the bullshit. This isn't the middle ages. We aren't crusaders.. and you need to learn some tolerance of not only other people, but their personal belief systems. It's great that your religion is good for you.. but it's not good for me. I don't want it. Keep it, and it's implications, the fuck away from me.
Fourthly, you don't have gay friends. They hate you. They hate you more than you know. Do you wanna know why? They hate you for hating them.. and being fucking ignorant. As for anywhere else in the world defining marriage as between a man and a women... you are wrong, many other countries define marriage as a union between two people of love and devotion. Also, we most definitely would not be the first country to legalize gay marriage.. we are never ever the first country to give all people's equal rights... we are the caboose. Parts of Europe, Canada, I think perhaps parts of Africa also have already legalized it. Get informed.
Fifth, WE ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST EVERY DAY, IN ALMOST EVERY STATE. Because we can't get married, we don't share the same rights as couples, even with a civil union. We don't share the automatic right of spousal inheritance(unless otherwise denoted by the individual's will), we don't share the right to attend to our partners in the hospital, and be there with them like married couples do, we don't share the right to adopt children as a gay couple, we don't share the right to join the military, and just BE OURSELVES, rather than forcing us to pretend to be something we aren't, we don't share the right(in most states) to not be fired from our jobs for our sexual orientation.. like people do for their race, color, creed, sex, etc.... we don't share the right of equal housing benefits and opportunities. So before you go spouting off about how many rights we have... get informed. You are wrong. We are so discriminated against.. and in this day and age, in this country, we are the only group left being discriminated against.
Sixth, Marriage is not a symbolic religious oriented, or developed ideal. It is governmental. It is something two ppl do when they want to devote themselves to each other, regardless of their religion. In all honesty, I'd be fine, and I believe many other homosexuals would with terming it something different, like a civil union or something, if and only if, we are provided all of the same benefits equally provided to those who are "married". Also, why protect a word from changing? All words have changed their meaning over the centuries. Look up, etymology.
That argument that you presented that gay people who could throw up, is a misinformed, and ignorant argument... I agree. That would make me look ignorant... however, that isn't my argument... and your whole argument is based in hate, and ignorance. I have a great suggestion for you, from Abraham Lincoln himself, "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
"
Also, unnormal is not a word, it's abnormal you fucking tard. Aside from the fact that according to science it's not abnormal, and also.... I have a question, please define exactly what abnormal is to me. I doubt u can.
Ugh, these are my thoughts.... perhaps I'll get through to some people.. though it's doubtful.
~Zack~
First of all.
w00t! Barrack Obama!
Secondly... w00t Medical Marijuana in michigan, and stem cell research!
Thirdly... BOO! Proposition 8(in Cali), while it hasn't officially passed yet from what I know.. looks like it will. For all of you who voted against it. Thank you. For all you who voted for it. GO FUCK YOURSELVES WITH A GIANT BARBED BLACK DILDO YOU BIGOTED FUCKS.
Are you really fucking serious? Some of the stuff I see people write and hear people say is absolutely ridiculous. "I'm not against gays.. but they shouldn't barge in on a strictly hetero thing" Yeah the fuck right... and strictly hetero? You're delusional, sir. Maybe you should move to the middle east.. I'm sure your bigoted views would be much more appreciated there.
Words of hate, and my replies:
"Like some people, I don't have anything against gays, but when the system tries to teach it in our schools, then that's where I have the problem. If the gays get their victory fine with me, just don't force it on our children.
"
RE: This kind of thinking is about as intelligent as well... a fucking rock. Actually, a rock would be smarter... cause it wouldn't fucking care. Stupid sheep. You all listen and follow propaganda so well. Go join the army, it needs more robots. Proposition 8 had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with teaching kids homosexuality in school, you dumb shits. Learn the facts. Besides... homosexuality shouldn't be taught in schools.. neither should heterosexuality, fucking tolerance and understanding of all people should be.
I'm sure you, like sarah palin... really tolerate those gays don'tcha? You just love em.
and two more which kinda really pissed me off:
"all men ARE created equal. but marriage has always meant a union between man and woman. it predates government. the government didn't create it, and therefore shouldn't be able to redefine it. study after study shows that relationships between men and women are more stable than those of same-sex couples. violence and disease are more widespread among homosexual couples. kids are better off when raised by a MOTHER and a FATHER.
again, all men are created equal. but by FORCING the majority to cater to the minority is creating a tyranny of tolerance. they expect everyone else to be tolerant of their wishes, but what of the wishes of the majority? it's the outspoken minority that needs to accept what others see as moral and right.
"
RE: You are a bigoted, uninformed, moron who should be sterilized. Marriage has been redefined by so many cultures throughout the world and time. It has not always been between one man and one woman. You are dead wrong. Historically inaccurate.
Secondly, marriage does NOT predate government you fucking retard. Read a history book. Go the fuck back to school. Or better yet, do us all a favor and just kill yourself. Marriage was originally established in Sumeria with the written code of laws, scripted by their "god king" Hammurabi. Religion didn't create marriage. Government did, and government should be able to redefine it to the point to allow equal rights for all citizens. I am not a lesser person than you because I like guys. Get off your fucking pedestal, before i knock you the fuck off.
Thirdly, study after study has shown what!? No, no, and NO! I don't know what studies you're reading... perhaps ones done by the christian evangelical right, or possibly the KKK, maybe Nazi studies... but I'd say those are all fairly inaccurate. According to real studies, by actual professionals in the fields of sociology and psychology the truth of the matter is.. same sex couples have proven to be more stable... we can't get married... we stay with each other when we have no actual legal or religious binding.. aside from the fact, how is my relationship's stability any of your fucking business? Should I come into your home, evaluate your marriage, decide that you two are unstable.. and therefore, shouldn't be allowed to marry? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either subject us to certain questions and procedures, and in turn be subjected to it also.. or you shut your fucking mouth and put up with it.
Violence and disease are more widespread among homosexuals? Wrong again. Statistically, according to the American Medical Association, the majority of STD related diseases(including HIV/AIDS) is most prevalent among poor, heterosexual, african american, females. The second most prevalent group, statistically, is middle class white males(statistically, most gay males fall into the upper class bracket). So, yeah, shut the fuck up about things you have no clue about. and violence? Haha... most gay people are pacifist and even those who aren't are at least both the same sex and can fight on an even ground if violence does occur. Need I even mention all the cases of domestic abuse, etc that go on every year with heterosexual couples in america.... how about with the middle east... or africa...?
Also, kids are best off when raised in a loving, educational, nurturing environment where they get attention, time, devotion, and all their needs met... according to psychologists and sociologists.. it has nothing to do with being raised by an man and a woman. On that note, should single mothers/fathers have their custody taken away? Learn to use some logic. Divorce rates are so high, that most children end up with one parent households now a days anyways.
Forcing the majority to cater to the minority? You almost sound like a KKK member now. I guess desegregation was forcing the majority to cater to the minority then too huh? And before you even try to say "But gay people choose to be gay." Once again, you are INCORRECT. Psychologists, biologists, and many other scientists have been studying this, and the human genome in general, for years. All evidence points towards the fact that gay people don't CHOOSE to be gay. It's not a side effect of environmental factors either. It is BIOLOGICAL. Gay people's brains(in the womb, and throughout life development) are more similarly structured to that of someone of the opposite sex. Think of it as nature's way of population control. Aside from the fact that gay people have always been there, in every culture, in every age... even some animals exhibit homosexual tendencies. Are they immoral too? The phrase "tyranny of tolerance" is laughable. Fuck you. Everyone is created equal, and deserves equal rights. You need to be tolerant, whether or not you want to be. Belief me, I tolerate your ass, and other people like you. Extend the same courtesy.
Lastly.... the minority needs to accept the majority's views of morality etc? That same argument was purported against black people for many years. Aside from that, lets think about this for a second. Morality has to do with religion. Religion does not have to do with government. Marriage is a legally binding contract. Marriage has to do with government. What you define as moral, is not my definition. In fact, I see you as the immoral person because you spread hate. You can't pick one thing from your bible, and ignore the rest. Sorry. The end, is not supported by the means. It's all or nothing. You just want to use something from your religion as a valid legal reason. Well, if you're gonna do that.. then you better follow all the other laws in that book too.. which, I know, without even knowing you, that you don't. So just stop. Stop with the hate. Stop with the pointed logic. Stop with the zealotry.. and the trying to force your religion upon others. You're as bad as those zealotrous muslim terrorists. Muslims don't belief what those terrorists do. The terrorists are a direct effect of zealotry. When you take your religion too far, and try to force it on others.. you create violence, misunderstanding, and hate.
This argument on gay marriage isn't about morality. That's a religious debate, which you would still be wrong about(I went to catholic school for 10 years.. I know the bible front to back... and your conclusions are not only selective and pointed, but flat out incorrect, a misinterpretation to fit your hate). It is about equality of all peoples. Whether or not I love someone, and want to be with them is none of your fucking business. At all. Your marriage isn't any of my business either. All we want is equality of rights when we want to be devoted to someone.
This one... ugh:
"uh i couldn't find any sources
but i hope it does
sorry if i offend any gays
but i don't believe sodomy, and a twisted morale behavior should be held with such high regard
i have gay friends and they are chill and what not
but i still don't believe they should call them being together a marriage
anywhere else in the world will say a marriage is between man and woman, so why should america be the first to allow such behavior
is it not enough that they can be gay and not be discriminated
.
they have rights so why are they are pushing it
all in all, if they were to call them being together something other than a marriage, it would be ok, and i don't mean perfectly fine, i just think more acceptable
maybe they should call it a union or something along those lines, but marriage is SYMBOLIC term world wide
So for those who are against prop 8, i want to hear what you have against this
and none of that "heteros have a higher divorce rate crap"
you are making yourself look ignorant
allowing a few "queers" to marry and divorce after they are fighting for the right to marry for practicing unnormal practices
All in all
Yes on prop 8
protect what little morale standards america has left"
RE:
When you open your mouth and spew that crap you only show just how uninformed and ignorant you are.
First of all, I hope you die slowly and painfully. Even though I don't believe in hell... I sure hope there's a special place reserved in it for people like you.
Secondly, sodomy is originally defined as sex forced upon a person, male or femal, heterosexual, or homosexual. Sodomy is essentially rape. Nothing else. I'm against sodomy also. But I know what the fuck it actually means.
Thirdly, twisted morals? Love is a twisted moral? Are you retarded? Aside from the fact that morals, and your religious beliefs have NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT, EQUALITY OF RIGHTS, OR OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL RIGHTS AND ABILITIES! Keep your religion to yourself you fucking Nazi. How would you like it if I tried to force my pagan religious beliefs upon you(not that that would ever happen cause we believe in "Live, and let live as long as it harm none")!? You wouldn't would you? How bout if a muslim tried to force their beliefs on you? That might make you really mad. Treat others as you wish to be treated(and that comes from your own bible, douchnozzle). Cut the fucking zealotry. Cut the bullshit. This isn't the middle ages. We aren't crusaders.. and you need to learn some tolerance of not only other people, but their personal belief systems. It's great that your religion is good for you.. but it's not good for me. I don't want it. Keep it, and it's implications, the fuck away from me.
Fourthly, you don't have gay friends. They hate you. They hate you more than you know. Do you wanna know why? They hate you for hating them.. and being fucking ignorant. As for anywhere else in the world defining marriage as between a man and a women... you are wrong, many other countries define marriage as a union between two people of love and devotion. Also, we most definitely would not be the first country to legalize gay marriage.. we are never ever the first country to give all people's equal rights... we are the caboose. Parts of Europe, Canada, I think perhaps parts of Africa also have already legalized it. Get informed.
Fifth, WE ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST EVERY DAY, IN ALMOST EVERY STATE. Because we can't get married, we don't share the same rights as couples, even with a civil union. We don't share the automatic right of spousal inheritance(unless otherwise denoted by the individual's will), we don't share the right to attend to our partners in the hospital, and be there with them like married couples do, we don't share the right to adopt children as a gay couple, we don't share the right to join the military, and just BE OURSELVES, rather than forcing us to pretend to be something we aren't, we don't share the right(in most states) to not be fired from our jobs for our sexual orientation.. like people do for their race, color, creed, sex, etc.... we don't share the right of equal housing benefits and opportunities. So before you go spouting off about how many rights we have... get informed. You are wrong. We are so discriminated against.. and in this day and age, in this country, we are the only group left being discriminated against.
Sixth, Marriage is not a symbolic religious oriented, or developed ideal. It is governmental. It is something two ppl do when they want to devote themselves to each other, regardless of their religion. In all honesty, I'd be fine, and I believe many other homosexuals would with terming it something different, like a civil union or something, if and only if, we are provided all of the same benefits equally provided to those who are "married". Also, why protect a word from changing? All words have changed their meaning over the centuries. Look up, etymology.
That argument that you presented that gay people who could throw up, is a misinformed, and ignorant argument... I agree. That would make me look ignorant... however, that isn't my argument... and your whole argument is based in hate, and ignorance. I have a great suggestion for you, from Abraham Lincoln himself, "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
"
Also, unnormal is not a word, it's abnormal you fucking tard. Aside from the fact that according to science it's not abnormal, and also.... I have a question, please define exactly what abnormal is to me. I doubt u can.
Ugh, these are my thoughts.... perhaps I'll get through to some people.. though it's doubtful.