Also, can you actually honestly say that anyone who is not a Christian hates God?
Yes. The Bible says it (cf. Romans 1).
I know my Jewish grandpa would be pissed about that. Also, this means anyone in the Islamic faith hates God. ... I really just don't understand how you can think that anyone who is not a Christian hates God.
I'm well aware that many would take offense. But I'm with Luther on this one: "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason... my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen." I gave my scriptural reasons for the nomenclature in the thread I linked to.
I might point out that Islam has the largest following in the world, not Christianity.
Even thought the argumentum ad populam is a fallacy, I thought I'd at least point out that Christian or Bible-based religion followers are at 2.2 billion whereas Islam is at 1.78 billion. I will grant that the visible church is not the true Church, though, so you're absolutely right that there are far more non-Christians out there. But statistically/professingly, we're still number one, for whatever that's worth.... [Source: Adherents.com]
That is so closed-minded and disgusting
You know better than to call me closed-minded, my dear. You can call it disgusting, but you know I'm not some ranting, intolerant (of people, at least) bigot.
and really really judgemental.
Tu quoque. We make judgments every day. All of us are judgmental, so that's sort of a meaningless statement. I think what you're trying to convey here is prejudicial. I'll certainly own up to the categorical condemnation that's given in the Bible, but it also tells us to be light and salt, ambassadors in this dark and unsavory world. Can you honestly tell me you've seen me judge someone before seeing his fruits? And can you say that, even when I fundamentally disagree that I am cruel or hateful (even when vigorously denouncing their worldview)? Did you think I didn't know your views a year ago? Did that stop me from reaching out to a friend in need?
flagrant sesquipedalianism will get you nowhere. you're so pompous. why don't you leave it to the academics?
leave it to a "good christian" (i've met good christians before and currently, you're not falling in that category) to do someone a favor and then throw it back in their face. when i do a good deed, i don't need to validate it by writing it out in my journal so that everyone knows i did something nice on such and such a date. that's what i meant when i said that lauren had something you don't: she does things out of the kindness of her heart, not because of her god, and she surely isn't going to throw it back in anyone's face later.
once we get the other fifty dollars we owe you together, we want a written statement that we have, indeed, paid you back because we both have an inkling that you might try and sue us, given that you wouldn't take a check, which would leave a paper trail of proof.
and while we're still on the topic, i'd just like to let you know that you really pissed me off when you came in to pick up your money. kat specifically asked that you NOT come in until after NINE PM because we would be busy. i didn't have a chance to come talk to you and point out to you that what you did was completely disrespectful at the time because i was, in fact, busy as you were told would be the case. just so you know, the rest of your payment WILL come in the form of a check.
flagrant sesquipedalianism will get you nowhere. you're so pompous.
The Latin's a bit pedantic but hardly sequipedalian. It's just my way of talking, though; I've always been a bit high-brow.
i've met good christians before and currently, you're not falling in that category
I hate to have to point this out, but an unregenerate doesn't know a good Christian from a bad one. They know what qualities they like and will side with those who value the same things they do, but James 4:4 tells us: "Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." I don't mind being shunned for His sake or for being faithful to His cause.
she surely isn't going to throw it back in anyone's face later
I only did it to remind you of a kindness shown by one of a type you claim to despise not to lord it over you.
we both have an inkling that you might try and sue us, given that you wouldn't take a check, which would leave a paper trail of proof. ... kat specifically asked that you NOT come in until after NINE PM because we would be busy.
You would be wrong in that. If I wanted to sue, I'd have done it at first breach of contract and been well within my rights. I showed mercy because I have been shown mercy. I can't believe you'd think such a thing. I do apologize for not giving you a receipt. If you'll tell me when I can drop one off, I'll be glad to do it. I didn't demand cash. Didn't even suggest it, she did since I told her I was broke on my birthday. To wit: screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:55 PM): I'm sending you a check for $200 jacquelinehyde (9:32:15 PM): I could just pick it up at the OG tomorrow.... jacquelinehyde (9:32:42 PM): (Unless you need the time to get the money in the bank.) screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:49 PM): No, I HAVE the money ... jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat. screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:44 PM): I have it in cash so you don't need to worry about cashing a check or anything. jacquelinehyde (9:42:53 PM): Sounds good I'm sorry about the misunderstanding of timing. Here's the relevant bits on that: screwthisdumbcrap (9:36:46 PM): I'll be at work tomorrow from 4:30 probably until 11PM jacquelinehyde (9:38:18 PM): I could come by after 7. jacquelinehyde (9:39:06 PM): And I will make it a point so to do. screwthisdumbcrap (9:40:05 PM): I'll have it with me but on a Friday night around 7, I'm probably going to be really busy. jacquelinehyde (9:40:44 PM): I won't keep you. I could send the hostess to retrieve it if you'll just put it in an envelope. screwthisdumbcrap (9:41:52 PM): I'm not giving them any money because they're morons. Just ask for me and we'll figure something out. jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat.
My understanding was that we wouldn't be able to chit-chat, but that I could still come by and pick it up. I saw no objection.
just so you know, the rest of your payment WILL come in the form of a check. No argument here. That's what was agreed to. screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:58 PM): I've had it and I was waiting until I had the extra $50 jacquelinehyde (9:33:02 PM): Okely-dokely. jacquelinehyde (9:33:28 PM): You can mail the check for the $50 later. But Momma's got some birthday celebratin' to do this weekend and she's broke as a joke. You accuse me of evil intentions... why? Because we disagree on religion?
really though, i'm done with this. i'm not even going to read the entire thing because you're arrogant and pompous.
i never said i didn't like the christians that i've made friends with, i simply stated that i believe their faith to be stupid. i've been told time and again that i'm going to hell because i haven't accepted jesus christ as my lord and savior (among other things) by some of my christian friends, so it's only fair that i be able to speak my peace.
oh, and i love how you conveniently left out a portion of the conversation you had with kat. i was standing right here when you had it and i know what was said. good going.
You don't have to read. Just don't say crap that you can't support.
, i simply stated that i believe their faith to be stupid.
*ahem* Scroll up. That says we're ignorant. And I have never told you you're going to hell. God forbid!
i love how you conveniently left out a portion of the conversation you had with kat.
I posted relevant snippets. To show I'm not hiding anything, here's the whole thing.
*snipping address* screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:14 PM): Thanks jacquelinehyde (9:31:21 PM): You're welcome. screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:55 PM): I'm sending you a check for $200 jacquelinehyde (9:32:15 PM): I could just pick it up at the OG tomorrow.... jacquelinehyde (9:32:42 PM): (Unless you need the time to get the money in the bank.) screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:49 PM): No, I HAVE the money screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:58 PM): I've had it and I was waiting until I had the extra $50 jacquelinehyde (9:33:02 PM): Okely-dokely. jacquelinehyde (9:33:28 PM): You can mail the check for the $50 later. But Momma's got some birthday celebratin' to do this weekend and she's broke as a joke. screwthisdumbcrap (9:34:25 PM): Well last time you said you were going to come by work, you never came. jacquelinehyde (9:35:43 PM): ... did I? I'm sorry, I didn't think we'd made definite plans. Please forgive me for that. Shall we make definite ones now? I work 10AM - 7PM tomorrow and usually take a 1-hr lunch from 2-3. screwthisdumbcrap (9:36:46 PM): I'll be at work tomorrow from 4:30 probably until 11PM jacquelinehyde (9:38:18 PM): I could come by after 7. jacquelinehyde (9:39:06 PM): And I will make it a point so to do. screwthisdumbcrap (9:40:05 PM): I'll have it with me but on a Friday night around 7, I'm probably going to be really busy. jacquelinehyde (9:40:44 PM): I won't keep you. I could send the hostess to retrieve it if you'll just put it in an envelope. screwthisdumbcrap (9:41:52 PM): I'm not giving them any money because they're morons. Just ask for me and we'll figure something out. jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat. screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:44 PM): I have it in cash so you don't need to worry about cashing a check or anything. jacquelinehyde (9:42:53 PM): Sounds good screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:57 PM): It's okay, I appreciate how forgiving you've been. I should have the extra $50 too. screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:00 PM): I mean soon screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:01 PM): not too screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:05 PM): I have to pay my car insurance jacquelinehyde (9:43:08 PM): Sure, no problem. What're friends for? jacquelinehyde (9:43:17 PM): NOw about that hard throbbing penis.... screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:38 PM): I don't know, I'll be really busy but if you come after 9 I'll have time for that too! jacquelinehyde (9:43:55 PM): (I was poking at your profile.) screwthisdumbcrap (9:44:11 PM): Ohh I wrote that so long ago I forgot
I just wanted to address the fact that you said that WE make YOU feel ignorant which is such a joke. I don't appreciate having to defend everything that I write in my own journal and I really don't want to have to deal with this bullshit anymore especially since you know how I feel about your opinions and I truly pity your belief but I just want to make it clear that you're really the pot calling the kettle black telling someone else that THEY make YOU feel ignorant. I mean for the longest time I didn't even know you were Christian and would never have assumed you were Christian just because everything you say seems to be designed to make the person you're talking to feel like a piece of stupid, ignorant trash. Just so we're clear. But I'm sure you already know this, since you consider yourself high-brow and speak in Latin.
And furthermore, have I EVER ONCE commented on any of the Jesus-loving things you write in your journal? EVER? ONCE? EVER? Because you know how I feel about it so I didn't think I needed to say anything because it's your journal and you can say whatever you want in it. Please point out one instance in which I've said something anti-Christian in a comment in your journal. I'm sure that you've already bookmarked it if I have so it shouldn't be hard for you to find.
And one more thing: you find it really easy to justify saying really horrible and mean things about other people as long as you can find a Bible quote to back yourself up. You seem to follow the Bible pretty literally. I just find it really really funny how you pay very close attention to those passages that condemn other people and yet you choose to omit those passages that might prompt you to change the way you live or who you are. (Leviticus 20:13) See, I can quote the Bible too and it doesn't make me any smarter than I am. I mean, I imagine a lot of people are intimidated by the fact that you can quote the Bible and they must think that you really know what you're talking about since you can but I know that it doesn't mean a thing. I went to Catholic school my whole life; I've read the Bible.
justify saying really horrible and mean things about other people
Care to give me an example of where I've done that?
you choose to omit those passages that might prompt you to change the way you live or who you are
Not at all. Lev 20:13 doesn't apply to me. C'mon, Kat. If you really do know you're Bible, you could at least come up with a more fitting one like Deuteronomy 22:5.
You say that as if I haven't turned the cheek many a time. Let's make a proper analogy, shall we? Let's say I were posting something like "Lesbians are Satan's succubi sent to corrrupt this country and spread AIDS to good, straight women... and they're all bowling stupid dykes!" I can't imagine either of you passing that up without some kind of "WTF?"
I just wanted to address the fact that you said that WE make YOU feel ignorant which is such a joke.
No, I said Des accused me of being stupid and ignorant merely for the fact that I'm a Christian. I feel ignorant all too rarely because, by the grace of God, I'm smarter than most and have an open and curious mind.
I don't appreciate having to defend everything that I write in my own journal
I haven't attacked a thing you said. Only replied to a comment by your beloved whereupon I was attacked. You think I appreciated that?
everything you say seems to be designed to make the person you're talking to feel like a piece of stupid, ignorant trash.
Izzat so? You guys didn't seem to think this before I had to defend myself here. I use the sword given me when I'm in an apologetics forum where my Lord is being slanderously dragged through the mud. Yes, I'm snarky and sarcastic. The Lord doesn't save us from our personalities, just our sins. Sanctification, on the other hand, is a long process. But God uses us where we are... after all, if truth were judged by personality rather than revelation and reason, we would have a creed by the saintly and winsome heresiarch Arius (of the Arian heresy) rather than the sardonic and unrelenting Athanasius.
A simple apology would've averted all this, y'know. Something along the lines of "Yeah, okay, not all (professing) Christians, but most" and I would've chimed in "You ain't just whistlin' Dixie!"
My dear Kat, did I say anything about the quotes? No. It was the generalized charge of ignorance of Christians with which I took umbrage.
Also, can you actually honestly say that anyone who is not a Christian hates God?
Yes. The Bible says it (cf. Romans 1).
I know my Jewish grandpa would be pissed about that. Also, this means anyone in the Islamic faith hates God. ... I really just don't understand how you can think that anyone who is not a Christian hates God.
I'm well aware that many would take offense. But I'm with Luther on this one:
"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason... my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen."
I gave my scriptural reasons for the nomenclature in the thread I linked to.
I might point out that Islam has the largest following in the world, not Christianity.
Even thought the argumentum ad populam is a fallacy, I thought I'd at least point out that Christian or Bible-based religion followers are at 2.2 billion whereas Islam is at 1.78 billion. I will grant that the visible church is not the true Church, though, so you're absolutely right that there are far more non-Christians out there. But statistically/professingly, we're still number one, for whatever that's worth....
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That is so closed-minded and disgusting
You know better than to call me closed-minded, my dear. You can call it disgusting, but you know I'm not some ranting, intolerant (of people, at least) bigot.
and really really judgemental.
Tu quoque. We make judgments every day. All of us are judgmental, so that's sort of a meaningless statement. I think what you're trying to convey here is prejudicial. I'll certainly own up to the categorical condemnation that's given in the Bible, but it also tells us to be light and salt, ambassadors in this dark and unsavory world. Can you honestly tell me you've seen me judge someone before seeing his fruits? And can you say that, even when I fundamentally disagree that I am cruel or hateful (even when vigorously denouncing their worldview)? Did you think I didn't know your views a year ago? Did that stop me from reaching out to a friend in need?
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leave it to a "good christian" (i've met good christians before and currently, you're not falling in that category) to do someone a favor and then throw it back in their face. when i do a good deed, i don't need to validate it by writing it out in my journal so that everyone knows i did something nice on such and such a date. that's what i meant when i said that lauren had something you don't: she does things out of the kindness of her heart, not because of her god, and she surely isn't going to throw it back in anyone's face later.
once we get the other fifty dollars we owe you together, we want a written statement that we have, indeed, paid you back because we both have an inkling that you might try and sue us, given that you wouldn't take a check, which would leave a paper trail of proof.
and while we're still on the topic, i'd just like to let you know that you really pissed me off when you came in to pick up your money. kat specifically asked that you NOT come in until after NINE PM because we would be busy. i didn't have a chance to come talk to you and point out to you that what you did was completely disrespectful at the time because i was, in fact, busy as you were told would be the case. just so you know, the rest of your payment WILL come in the form of a check.
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The Latin's a bit pedantic but hardly sequipedalian. It's just my way of talking, though; I've always been a bit high-brow.
i've met good christians before and currently, you're not falling in that category
I hate to have to point this out, but an unregenerate doesn't know a good Christian from a bad one. They know what qualities they like and will side with those who value the same things they do, but James 4:4 tells us: "Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." I don't mind being shunned for His sake or for being faithful to His cause.
she surely isn't going to throw it back in anyone's face later
I only did it to remind you of a kindness shown by one of a type you claim to despise not to lord it over you.
we both have an inkling that you might try and sue us, given that you wouldn't take a check, which would leave a paper trail of proof. ... kat specifically asked that you NOT come in until after NINE PM because we would be busy.
You would be wrong in that. If I wanted to sue, I'd have done it at first breach of contract and been well within my rights. I showed mercy because I have been shown mercy. I can't believe you'd think such a thing. I do apologize for not giving you a receipt. If you'll tell me when I can drop one off, I'll be glad to do it. I didn't demand cash. Didn't even suggest it, she did since I told her I was broke on my birthday. To wit:
screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:55 PM): I'm sending you a check for $200
jacquelinehyde (9:32:15 PM): I could just pick it up at the OG tomorrow....
jacquelinehyde (9:32:42 PM): (Unless you need the time to get the money in the bank.)
screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:49 PM): No, I HAVE the money
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jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:44 PM): I have it in cash so you don't need to worry about cashing a check or anything.
jacquelinehyde (9:42:53 PM): Sounds good
I'm sorry about the misunderstanding of timing. Here's the relevant bits on that:
screwthisdumbcrap (9:36:46 PM): I'll be at work tomorrow from 4:30 probably until 11PM
jacquelinehyde (9:38:18 PM): I could come by after 7.
jacquelinehyde (9:39:06 PM): And I will make it a point so to do.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:40:05 PM): I'll have it with me but on a Friday night around 7, I'm probably going to be really busy.
jacquelinehyde (9:40:44 PM): I won't keep you. I could send the hostess to retrieve it if you'll just put it in an envelope.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:41:52 PM): I'm not giving them any money because they're morons. Just ask for me and we'll figure something out.
jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat.
My understanding was that we wouldn't be able to chit-chat, but that I could still come by and pick it up. I saw no objection.
just so you know, the rest of your payment WILL come in the form of a check.
No argument here. That's what was agreed to.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:58 PM): I've had it and I was waiting until I had the extra $50
jacquelinehyde (9:33:02 PM): Okely-dokely.
jacquelinehyde (9:33:28 PM): You can mail the check for the $50 later. But Momma's got some birthday celebratin' to do this weekend and she's broke as a joke.
You accuse me of evil intentions... why? Because we disagree on religion?
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i never said i didn't like the christians that i've made friends with, i simply stated that i believe their faith to be stupid. i've been told time and again that i'm going to hell because i haven't accepted jesus christ as my lord and savior (among other things) by some of my christian friends, so it's only fair that i be able to speak my peace.
oh, and i love how you conveniently left out a portion of the conversation you had with kat. i was standing right here when you had it and i know what was said. good going.
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, i simply stated that i believe their faith to be stupid.
*ahem* Scroll up. That says we're ignorant. And I have never told you you're going to hell. God forbid!
i love how you conveniently left out a portion of the conversation you had with kat.
I posted relevant snippets. To show I'm not hiding anything, here's the whole thing.
*snipping address*
screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:14 PM): Thanks
jacquelinehyde (9:31:21 PM): You're welcome.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:31:55 PM): I'm sending you a check for $200
jacquelinehyde (9:32:15 PM): I could just pick it up at the OG tomorrow....
jacquelinehyde (9:32:42 PM): (Unless you need the time to get the money in the bank.)
screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:49 PM): No, I HAVE the money
screwthisdumbcrap (9:32:58 PM): I've had it and I was waiting until I had the extra $50
jacquelinehyde (9:33:02 PM): Okely-dokely.
jacquelinehyde (9:33:28 PM): You can mail the check for the $50 later. But Momma's got some birthday celebratin' to do this weekend and she's broke as a joke.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:34:25 PM): Well last time you said you were going to come by work, you never came.
jacquelinehyde (9:35:43 PM): ... did I? I'm sorry, I didn't think we'd made definite plans. Please forgive me for that. Shall we make definite ones now? I work 10AM - 7PM tomorrow and usually take a 1-hr lunch from 2-3.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:36:46 PM): I'll be at work tomorrow from 4:30 probably until 11PM
jacquelinehyde (9:38:18 PM): I could come by after 7.
jacquelinehyde (9:39:06 PM): And I will make it a point so to do.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:40:05 PM): I'll have it with me but on a Friday night around 7, I'm probably going to be really busy.
jacquelinehyde (9:40:44 PM): I won't keep you. I could send the hostess to retrieve it if you'll just put it in an envelope.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:41:52 PM): I'm not giving them any money because they're morons. Just ask for me and we'll figure something out.
jacquelinehyde (9:42:35 PM): Okey-dokey. Thanks, I really appreciate it, Kat.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:44 PM): I have it in cash so you don't need to worry about cashing a check or anything.
jacquelinehyde (9:42:53 PM): Sounds good
screwthisdumbcrap (9:42:57 PM): It's okay, I appreciate how forgiving you've been. I should have the extra $50 too.
screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:00 PM): I mean soon
screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:01 PM): not too
screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:05 PM): I have to pay my car insurance
jacquelinehyde (9:43:08 PM): Sure, no problem. What're friends for?
jacquelinehyde (9:43:17 PM): NOw about that hard throbbing penis....
screwthisdumbcrap (9:43:38 PM): I don't know, I'll be really busy but if you come after 9 I'll have time for that too!
jacquelinehyde (9:43:55 PM): (I was poking at your profile.)
screwthisdumbcrap (9:44:11 PM): Ohh I wrote that so long ago I forgot
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Care to give me an example of where I've done that?
you choose to omit those passages that might prompt you to change the way you live or who you are
Not at all. Lev 20:13 doesn't apply to me. C'mon, Kat. If you really do know you're Bible, you could at least come up with a more fitting one like Deuteronomy 22:5.
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No, I said Des accused me of being stupid and ignorant merely for the fact that I'm a Christian. I feel ignorant all too rarely because, by the grace of God, I'm smarter than most and have an open and curious mind.
I don't appreciate having to defend everything that I write in my own journal
I haven't attacked a thing you said. Only replied to a comment by your beloved whereupon I was attacked. You think I appreciated that?
everything you say seems to be designed to make the person you're talking to feel like a piece of stupid, ignorant trash.
Izzat so? You guys didn't seem to think this before I had to defend myself here. I use the sword given me when I'm in an apologetics forum where my Lord is being slanderously dragged through the mud. Yes, I'm snarky and sarcastic. The Lord doesn't save us from our personalities, just our sins. Sanctification, on the other hand, is a long process. But God uses us where we are... after all, if truth were judged by personality rather than revelation and reason, we would have a creed by the saintly and winsome heresiarch Arius (of the Arian heresy) rather than the sardonic and unrelenting Athanasius.
A simple apology would've averted all this, y'know. Something along the lines of "Yeah, okay, not all (professing) Christians, but most" and I would've chimed in "You ain't just whistlin' Dixie!"
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