Vegetarian political power
I became vegetarian because of being disgusted by roadkill, and thinking wow I eat dead animals what am I thinking. Though it's true that a picture of something gross changed me I don't think that is the best way to recruit new members. I think the way to get new members to anything is to either make it fun, or show how it's going to save them
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Also, vegan != fun, no matter how much you dress it up and try to make it look cool. My whole perspective on this is just like with religion, "You're vegan/Christian? Fine. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. Just leave me/my fucking steak alone." My best friend in high school was Catholic and vegetarian, and would make animal sounds at me whenever I bit into a meat-based sandwich for lunch. This did not make me want to be vegetarian. Setting a quiet example, rather than evangelizing for the Cult of Veganism, will do more for your cause. It's the radical, unwashed, patchouli-smelling assholes who hurt veganism's image.
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I grew up on a farm, we butchered our own animals or sent them to a local butcher for sausage-making. I have no qualms about eating meat that I helped raise and butcher. The pain adds flavor.
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I have a very open mind about vegetarianism, not unlike my views toward Christianity. I just know it's not the right path for me, and I don't appreciate other people trying to make me feel bad about my personal choices. I'm not going around trying to change vegetarians' minds by saying, "Mmmm, meat is so delicious, and you're really missing out on it...Come onnnn, just try it for a week...ZOMG WTF YOUR NOT GONNA SWITCH YOU SUCK AND UR GONNA DIEEEE COS UR SOOOO UNHEALTHY!"
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Neener.
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I see absolutely ZERO difference between "You could definitely give up meat if you really wanted to. You've never actually tried to live with a meat-free diet, so automatically saying that you never could is quite silly" and "You could definitely give up your agnosticism and convert to Christianity if you really wanted to. You've never actually tried to live a Christ-centered life, so automatically saying you never could is quite silly."
They're both fucking rude assumptions.
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Of course vegetarianism has similarities with religion, just like atheism has similarities with religion. We are all living by some code we choose. Some put labels on it, like vegetarian, christian, buddhist, atheist, etc, but they are still beliefs, they still guide the person through each day. We have different reasons for picking the labels we do. Sure there are similarities, but you can find similarities in just about anything. I mean, vegetarians and religious people are both human, and so the similarities begin.
Moving on, your comment about The Jungle sounds really ignorant. Just because you happen to grow up on a farm and kill the animals you ate doesn't mean the meat the rest of americans buy is the same meat you had. Just because the books says something different than your personal experience on one farm in one city in one state doesn't mean that's how everything is run. Propaganda? Maybe. Does that mean it's not true? No. Not all propaganda is false.
And since you screamed out propaganda so fast, what about your history books? Are those not biased? Do they not support a certain political point of view? I would have to say that they do.
I have yet to see one thing written that shows you are open minded. Sure you say you are okay with people being Christian, Vegetarian, etc, but every comment made thereafter shows otherwise.
How would you know if veganism was fun or not? (Talk about rude assumptions.) You said yourself you could never do it. That doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile and enjoyable to others. Believe it or not, bacon isn't the greatest invention to everyone, even those who are meat eaters.
I once said I could never do it either, and then I realized I wasn't giving it a chance, so on a dare I went vegetarian for 3 months and then I never went back. I don't think I have ever been happier with any other lifestyle change like I have been with this one. I'm not saying by any means that anyone else has to try it, I'm just saying that it's been incredibly enjoyable for me. And yes, I've eliminated just about all dairy too, veganism is fun, you just have to know how to do it right.
and last but not least, if you took all veggies and grains out of your diet the last thing you would be is happy for the rest of your life. You need veggies and grains to live a healthy life, we no longer need meat to live a healthy life.
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If you're vegetarian, you get less cholesterol in your diet. You make a tiny ding in the armor of the meat industry, which is one of the ecologically worst industries on the planet. You eat a more balanced diet, in which you actually get closer to the recommended daily intakes of various vitamins, minerals, fibers, etc.
None of these benefits come from a "christ centered life." In fact, no real benefits come from it at all. Thus, to equate vegetarian proselytizing with christian proselytizing is fallacious because one can actually create positive change with positive benefits while the other has a massive potential for self-destruction.
I do appreciate that you apparently grew up on a farm. I, as a Wisconsinite, am annoyed by "holier than thou" vegans who seem to think every chicken was treated cruelly when its eggs were laid. As you, I know that that is simply not the fact. If you do, indeed, eat only meat that you helped raise, that's very noble of you. More omnis should be like you. If you brought that up as something you did in the past, but that you now do no longer for whatever reason, perhaps you should consider buying your meats from farmers markets instead? The meat industry truly is deplorable, even if you do not consider cruelty a factor.
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Easy. Religion is about belief, and this about action. Belief is much harder to change than action.
If you want to stop eating something, stop buying it. It's a fairly simple process, if you want to do it. But you clearly don't want to do it, so the conditional "You could definitely give up meat if you really wanted to." is irrelevant to you. The antecedent is false, so the consequent can be whatever it wants to be and the statement is still true.
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