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[hobgadling]

Well it doesn't sound like there's any more interest here than in the population at large, but generally speaking I'm interested in spreading memes which promote the long-term happiness and survivability of all life. Now here's a list of words: sustainability, conservation economy, peak oil, unschooling, natural capitalism, cradle to cradle,

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[elderbaboongod]

Here's a list of words: cynical, world-weary, greedy, Chomskyan neoanarchist nonsense.
The life of modern man is nasty, brutish, and horrifically prolonged. If we all pull together as a team there's no limit to how many people can freeload and squabble over credit. The reason all that hippie nonsense doesn't work is because people are vicious things deep down. Trying to make people live in a socialist/anarchist lovey-dovey coop society is like trying to make a lion live off of tofu.

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[elderbaboongod]

No seriously, I bet you like reading Franz Boas and Margaret Mead. Among the college educated isn't where you need to spread your memes. Why not convince some Palestinians, Columbian farmers, or the Yanomamo to hug and hold hands and get along. Tell developing nations that they can't pollute recklessly like every superpower did during its infancy. Try telling Catholics to use birth control. Preaching to a bunch of college kids about your ideas for a greater society doesn't swing it. You have to sell your patchouli-scented snakeskin oil to the poor, unwashed, belligerent masses.
Okay, I'm done. I may have caused us to get off on the wrong foot. How are you?

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[hobgadling]

you're missing the point. TAMS is full of smart people. We can do amazing things together. Maybe it won't happen because of ego and ownership or paranoia or greed or any one of a million reasons. But it's worth asking.

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[elderbaboongod]

No you're missing the point; if the world was full of people as smart and nice as TAMS students then we'd have a nice little perfect society just like you want. The average people are the ones that you need to interest in your touchy feely, new age philosophy, but since they're not much better than hairless chimps with moderate linguistic capabilities they can only understand complex philosophy if it's distilled down into a religion. So go preach buddhism and think about how the only reason the guy next to you on the bus doesn't bash in your skull and rape your loved ones is that he's afraid of the consequences.

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[elderbaboongod]

I don't think you hate normies enough.

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[hobgadling]

That is not true, as evidenced by the fact that there are societies in which people are not vicious and brutal to each other as a matter of practice.
My first exposure to this was through _The Continuum Concept_. It's not a perfect book, but it's interesting to see how other people live

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[elderbaboongod]

Every data set has its outliers; I'm sure these societies are either small non-representative bubbles in scandanavia or falsified reports by ethnographers with an agenda.

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[hobgadling]

that's okay. you can believe whatever you want to, but your faith does not change reality. maybe you find it more comforting to believe that the bullshit we have to deal with is a natural part of human existence, rather than a human construct.

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[stephanometra]

I've typed four different replies in this box before getting too filled with rage to finish them, so suffice to say that I'm pretty sure you're an idiot who should go back to hippietown.

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[elderbaboongod]

Wait, human constructs aren't natural? Who's living in a fantasy world now? Human developments evolve following the same natural guidelines as everything else. You just can't get over your ego and realize that humans aren't anything special. The reason that your socialist/anarchist coop nonsense hasn't cropped up naturally as a government system is that it doesn't work and if it did work then existing human culture will naturally push towards that direction. Get off your self-egrandising, intelligent-design soapbox. Hubris, man, HUBRIS.

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[ciggieposeur]

Dude, hubris?

Every data set has its outliers; I'm sure these societies are either small non-representative bubbles in scandanavia or falsified reports by ethnographers with an agenda.

"I'm sure?" "Non-representative?" "Falsified reports?" What, you got a psychic link or something?

"Socialist/anarchist coop nonsense" has come up naturally and been systematically wiped out more than once. That's just history, not politics or religion. Probably wouldn't work here, but it's happened before.

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[hobgadling]

I find it interesting that you guys are able to extrapolate all kinds of socialist/communist/anarchist themes from my post. What was it that tipped you off? The word "community" (of which we have less and less these days... even been to Plano?), or maybe the word "cooperatives"? Gosh, imagine people helping each other.. what a strange thought!

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[elderbaboongod]

Everything you said screamed Chomskyan Anarchist Drivel and the people you listed all have messianic websites. Face it, you're one step sideways from a cult member.

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[elderbaboongod]

Hubris isn't certainty. I said that one person was wrong. He's insinuating that he and his pseudointellectual heroes have all the answers to fix the problems of the world and lead us to a new era a peace and enlightenment. So I have hubris for telling someone that they're wrong when they're essentially saying that they're more enlightened and intelligent than most people who have ever been alive. If you aren't familiar with the revolutionary ethnographers that were promoting this same socialist anarchist agenda then you need to do a little a more research on the matter. Also, not all natural deviations are beneficial; the reason these little pockets occur and get wiped out is because they don't work and other goverments naturally evolve from them.