Persecuting headgear
What's a burqa, and does it have a place in our place? That's the question that a number of European societies have been pondering about for some time. In Germany for example, some province ministers of the interior have decided to ban the controversial headgear as part of the measures to counter Islamic radicalization. Other countries already have
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YOU are lecturing me about refusing to engage with what we're saying to each other? You're the one who's been trying to get away from giving a specific answer to a specific question all along, using all sorts of weasel non-arguments.
Stop answering with questions to my question. It's a simple one really. At what age do Muslim women begin to get exposed to the social norms of their community?
Tip: from age 0.
The fact is that I do believe that Muslim women are capable of free will and are able to make decisions about their own life and how they want to dress
Except when they're indoctrinated from age 0 and being rendered incapable of discerning subtle and at times even overt social coercion, from what they imagine to be free will.
And do not presume to make psychological dissection of my arguments. You're not my shrink.
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You need to check your news sources...
Full Fact - Sharia Law Courts
There are basically two types of issue involved in Sharia Law courts
(1) Mediation services that operate according to Sharia Law principles. This is where an Islamic organisation offers services like 'couples counselling' where guidance and advice is offered based on Sharia Law principles. The kind of guidance given is sometimes in conflict with the kinds of guidance received from secular mediation services, but it does not contradict UK law in either way (no more than a Catholic couple asking their priest to mediate a marital problem).
(2) Arbitration Courts - under UK law two parties can agree to settle a civil dispute via an agreed third party. This is a general privilege available to everyone... and some Muslims agree to settle their civil disputes by nominating an agreed third party that settles the dispute according to Sharia Law principles.
There's a lot of fear mongering because the words 'Sharia Law' contains the words 'Law' and some interpret this to mean that they're exercising a parallel legal system that exists separate and equal to state law. This is not the case.
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I appreciate that you don't like my answer to your question, but that's not the same thing as me not answering it.
I acknowledged that early socialisation is a key part of internalising your family, peer group and wider cultures norms and values... but noted that this is true for everyone.
For every child, whether born to Muslim, Christian or atheist parents, socialisation starts in the womb and continues throughout life.
Given that this is true of everyone it thus doesn't constitute an argument that Muslim women lack free will.
The case that you need to make (and I mean you, I'm not going to make it for you) is for the leap from 'children are exposed to and internalise norms from their families' to 'Muslim women are indoctrinated and don't have free will'
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Stop being so textbook then.
You said that this is important (yes) and seem to imply that our comments are important (meh), which suggests that you're hoping that someone leaves this discussion with a changed opinion.
A steel man argument is often more productive at that aim than a straw man argument, but I'd just settle for you taking my argument as written.
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