The Odessa fire

[luzribeiro]

Anyone surprised that there isn't much news of this, and the little that's reported at all, mostly fails to mention the people surrounded and burned alive were pro-Russians? -->

The other day, dozens of pro-Russian protesters retreated to a Trade Union building from a mob of armed right-wing extremists, and as the latter surrounded the building

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[luvdovz]

As someone who has held deep interest in Ukraine long before most people around here probably even heard such a place exists somewhere on the map, I've been "consuming" the news about the conflict there from a variety of international sources on a regular basis. While the Odessa fire is being occasionally mentioned, it's true that it's nowhere near the in-depth coverage the other part of the Ukraine story tends to get - and for a reason. There's bias on both sides, and that includes the media which are now but an extension of the respective political establishments.

On the other hand, Putin's mouthpiece on the international media scene, RT seems to be doing a tremendous job countering everybody else's anti-Russia bias with a condensated version of pro-Russia bias of their own. Similarly to the way FOX is striving to "restore balance to the Force" by countering what they perceive as the "lamestream media" liberal bias with a conservative bias of their own that matches the weight of the opposite bias combinedIn any case, it's

[ivankon]

> There's bias on both sides, and that includes the media

Exactly.

Also there is very symmetric situation:
- center-western protesters, non-legitimate authorities, West support
- south-eastern protesters, non-legitimate authorities, East support

[mikeyxw]

Well, the US has yet to send in troops with their insignias removed and annex a chunk of land after signing a treaty that promised we'd respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. Also, Russian media has been playing fake stories about neo-Nazis terrorizing Russian speaking Ukrainians in order to justify an invasion rather than just underplaying stories about Pro-Their-Side mob violence. But other than the huge differences in scope, scale, and motive, there's certainly some symmetry to the situation.

[ivankon]

> Well, the US has yet to send in troops with their insignias removed and annex a chunk of land...

Troops was not need, pay to traitors was enough. Chunk of USSR was teared apart and Yushekno puppet set to throne.

> Also, Russian media has been playing fake stories about neo-Nazis terrorizing Russian speaking Ukrainians

Media of opposite side also use fake stories. And yes, there are real neo-Nazis terrorizing Russian speaking Ukrainians.

[allhatnocattle]

I have been watching/reading RT's Peter Lavalle, Pepe Escobar on the situation in Ukraine. I've also been watching/reading the incredibly excellent Ukraine coverage on Vice News.

I feel like I'm pretty well informed, um, well as informed as an outsider with relatively recent interest on the area can be.

When that whole Abby Martin/Liz Wahl situation broke in early March I gave RT additional attention, but since April I'm found Vice to be the most fair and objective media covering Ukraine

[ivankon]

Of course RT are bunch of blatant liers as whole Russian government media. Ukraina's mass media owned by pro-west oligarchy is the same or sometimes even worse.

But nowadays West media also disappoints me too. They free but "free" not assumes "unbiased". At least they can try if want and media with opposite mention are not persecuted.

[allhatnocattle]

Young Turks host Cent Uygur quit MSNBC because of lack of freedom. The US media has to toe official Whitehouse propaganda or they won't get interviews granted, scrum questions asked, etc. There are consequences. Just like how when Walmart gets bad press they buy more advertising and bad press goes away.

Of course RT is mouthpiece of Russian Gov't. But that's perspective not censorship.