The Eurozone crisis, Is there a way out?

Jul 25, 2013 16:15

I was just reading now on LA times (McManus: Europe's continental drift), and a phrase really captured my attention; The author, while describing how bad the situation is in Europe (especially the southern countries) goes as far as saying:

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Southern Europe is experiencing its worst drop in living standards since World War IITo anyone who has been ( Read more... )

economy, debt, italy, crisis

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mikeyxw July 26 2013, 21:18:04 UTC
Okay, this is the first time I've gotten a serious link to comedy network. I'll check out his book and I'm certainly glad Barofsky is watching out for this. In the interview, he mostly talked about nobody going to jail and the homeowners who weren't bailed out. These are valid concerns, but not the point.

Previously, he's brought up that the Treasury is counting money that the FED actually made, which I'm not thinking is a big deal. The FED and Treasury were both working on TARP, so I'm not too concerned about who gets the money.

The more relevant piece is about the takeover of Fannie and Freddie, the financial situation for these has changed for the better in the last year due to the recovery in housing, so I'd certainly be interested to see how these panned out. These are technically not part of TARP, so of course the Treasury can say they turned a profit on the bailout... just not that bailout of course. This will be the critical piece, $150 billion or so, and worth keeping an eye on to see how honest the Treasury's claim really turns out to be. I'll check this in the book, but the information from Barofsky which addressed this that I could find online was a few years out of date. There were some pretty rosy assumptions, but then the housing market has been doing better than anyone would have expected.

That said, the bailout of Greece is likely to cost more than Fannie and Freddie, mostly because it's been dragging on. There was a point where there was a bi-monthly summit and plan to resolve the crisis, only to require another. I think they're on version 5 or so. While Neal might not give the Treasury high marks in absolute terms, if they're being graded on a curve, they look pretty good.

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peristaltor July 26 2013, 23:15:15 UTC
Okay, this is the first time I've gotten a serious link to comedy network.

I thought I'd mix it up a bit. ;-) I heard about his book through that interview.

Previously, he's brought up that the Treasury is counting money that the FED actually made, which I'm not thinking is a big deal. The FED and Treasury were both working on TARP, so I'm not too concerned about who gets the money.

The details are in the book, yes, and I remember but a portion of them. Essentially, Treasury time and time again was shown to be supporting the banks in ways that SIGTARP Barofsky felt inappropriate. Treasury-especially Geitner-went so far as to interpret the Homeowner Loan Modification program in ways that allowed the banks, not the homeowners, to avoid losses. I did take notes on that section. Holy crap, it's bad.

The section concerning the "paying back" of the first TARP infusions, the one that got a lot of press, was actually Treasury allowing the banks to record a subsequent TARP infusion as a payback. Barofsky was furious, but his job was clearly defined to avoid the SIGTARP office from criticizing policy. Since he couldn't speak out, and no one else corrected the record, the public now has the impression that the banks paid back gov. They didn't, and the details are in the book.

Be it Greece or Fannie or Freddie, there's a mistaken impression out there, one you seemed to voice, that things will "improve." If by that you mean return to the old normal, put me down as extremely skeptical. Remember that the old normal was a bubble created by rampant credit extension done without due regard for consequences. If today's bad returns to the old normal, it will by definition be called a bubble, one that will-again, by definition-eventually burst.

We need no return to the old days, but rather a path to a new normal that can be sustained. As long as people cling to the halcyon past, that ain't gonna happen, not here, not in Greece, no where.

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