The new apartheid

May 26, 2013 19:33



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ddstory May 26 2013, 19:57:43 UTC
Funny, how it's suddenly all about how the word 'apartheid' is not the most proper word, while the core of the problem itself somehow remains pushed aside. Not surprisingly, those who are so eager to defend Israel's actions seem to be the first to jump into this conveniently distracting semantic game. Not surprising at all.

BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT LANGUAGE!!1!1

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notmrgarrison May 26 2013, 20:06:08 UTC
It's not the word, it's the analogy.

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ddstory May 26 2013, 20:10:14 UTC
Oh, you mean the analogy with a system where part of the population is being kept in fenced areas with restricted access, and deprived of basic civil rights in their own country? How dare they make such an analogy! There's no place for comparison whatsoever! Zero.

Ain't you adorable?

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luzribeiro May 26 2013, 21:01:01 UTC
Oh, but they're doing all that in response to the threat to their security; the threat to their security did not happen in response to them doing all those things* - so, you see, there's a huge difference!

* except, it did

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notmrgarrison May 26 2013, 22:40:56 UTC
Like the Great Wall of China, the wall doesn't fence in anybody.

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ddstory May 27 2013, 05:32:44 UTC
So the Palestinians are free to go anywhere around their own country?

Look, unintentional ignorance could be forgiven. Hell, even loudly paraded ignorance could be fine. But now you're being outright ridiculous.

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notmrgarrison May 27 2013, 15:01:52 UTC
kept in fenced areas

Sure miss pot.

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ddstory May 27 2013, 16:09:50 UTC
Pardon?

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rimpala May 27 2013, 16:35:54 UTC
(he's being cryptic now, just let him argue ad nauseum and declare victory)

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luzribeiro May 28 2013, 09:47:49 UTC
Sure miss pot.

So is that the form of true reasonable discussion that you've been trying so hard to achieve, but others have refused to engage in?

For someone who has dedicated dozens of comments to complain about the lack of willingness in others to actually debate the points, you seem surprisingly eager to do the exact same thing that you've been complaining against.

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airiefairie May 28 2013, 10:29:06 UTC
On the contrary. That is exactly what the wall in the West Bank is supposed to be doing. Not only that, but as Ariel Sharon has himself admitted (tcpip linked to his words above), the purpose of the wall is to fragment the Palestinian territories into smaller pieces that could be easily controlled. The settlements are being built in those particular locations for a reason - they control strategic areas, mostly high ground and water sources, and that is a key to controlling such areas like the West Bank ( ... )

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peristaltor May 27 2013, 00:51:52 UTC
You forgot the part where the people are fenced in/out because of who their parents were. Less than zero!

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rimpala May 27 2013, 02:30:09 UTC
smug people are adorable sometimes, but for most part I just find them boring.

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ddstory May 27 2013, 05:58:37 UTC
Smugness I could tolerate at some level (I think). Ignorance, and moreover, paraded ignorance hiding behind the "this is my opinion, man" disclaimer, not so much.

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rimpala May 27 2013, 13:52:10 UTC
well... paraded ignorance hiding behind smugness, someone smug in their ignorance who cannot possibly grasp the simple idea of them being wrong XD

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underlankers May 27 2013, 19:56:12 UTC
You would prefer Rhodesia, which is even more applicable?

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