Pass the baton

Jan 09, 2013 20:37



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geezer_also January 10 2013, 01:14:21 UTC
Or maybe whatever god it is than Glenn Beck (or Pat Robertson, or whoever) prays to is starting to take down some of these "evil socialist" leaders. Or maybe it's a secret CIA plot injecting cancer cells. It must be some kind of U.S. conspiracy...just sayin'

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mikeyxw January 10 2013, 02:40:42 UTC
The lack of evidence is indeed proof that the CIA is involved, who else could cover their tracks so well?

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abomvubuso January 10 2013, 07:14:42 UTC
While the CIA may not be involved with Chávez' illness itself (ha. ha.), they do keep a close eye on the regime, especially in this key moment for Venezuela. Which can't be a bad thing, after all, especially compared to their more active involvement in the coup from a few years back.

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mikeyxw January 10 2013, 11:02:47 UTC
And what did the CIA's active involvement in the coup consist of?

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abomvubuso January 10 2013, 12:04:56 UTC
First of all, I do recall myself explicitly saying "more active". "More", as in being more active than it is today, namely "keeping a close eye". I usually pick up my words very carefully, and for a reason.

That said, apart from the recent Wikileaks, ehm, leak that casts some light on the subject, there's also this:

http://southoftheborderdoc.com/declassified/
"Declassified CIA and other U.S. government documents that show the U.S. funded groups involved in the coup, and attempted to help the coup succeed.Apart from that, you must've heard of WHINSEC at some point, which is the so-called "School of the Americas" which is essentially a training ground for US puppets throughout "America's backyard" that is Latin America. In 2004 Venezuela stopped sending soldiers to train there, fearing that those would be used by the US to undermine the regime. In 2006, Argentina followed suit (Uruguay has already stopped sending trainees there for quite a while ( ... )

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mikeyxw January 10 2013, 13:22:05 UTC
The "institution building" etc was largely helping to organize and fund elections in those institutions, hardly the stuff coups are made of.

I went through the Wikileaks story above in another response, it was really underwhelming. There were a few quotes that really seem to affirm that the US didn't like Chavez and was trying to limit his influence in the region and some hard evidence that other countries also wanted his influence limited.

The Commondreams article, not exactly a pro-Bush source, even states:

Asked to comment on the CIA documents, a U.S. State Department spokesman would say only, "As we've stated before, there is no basis to claims the United States was involved in the events of April 12-14 in Venezuela."

One of the CIA documents filed just five days before the coup would appear to support that statement. It notes that "repeated warnings that the U.S. will not support any extraconstitutional moves to oust Chávez probably have given pause to the plotters."
There is certainly a lot of stuff here, it's missing any ( ... )

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sophia_sadek January 10 2013, 16:57:39 UTC
They days of exploding cigars are not too far in the Company's past.

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