The Secret $7.77 Trillion Bailout

[blueduck37]

Apologies if this story was posted here already; I couldn't find a post on it.

Now we've all heard the lie statement that the Tea Party began as a cultural backlash to a new President, who to conservatives was the face of a changing America that scared them protest and backlash to the 2008 TARP program even though no conservative protests occurred

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[kayjayuu]

I'm sorry, I really can't get past your second paragraph. Nobody made me drive a hundred and twenty miles to attend a rally before whatever the Tea Party became that requires the regurgitation of such drivel. Despite whatever the current iteration of "here's why the Tea Party is a lie and you should hate hate hate anyone who utters the words without spitting" is, there really was/is a basic foundation of everyday people who have just. simply. had. enough. of this fucking government. Forget whoever is the president, it was CONGRESS and the shadow FED that bears the brunt of our anger.

If you sincerely want people like me (and I am NOT a Tea Party member, whatever that is, but I do relate to the reasons behind the movement in the same way that I relate to some of the reasons behind OWS) to join people like Occupy Wall Street members (whatever that is), then you need to get over the disparaging remarks and seek common ground. Otherwise it's divide and conquer by The Powers That Be, just like they want it

[blueduck37]

Yes, that helps. I appreciate the feedback, even if critical.

[kayjayuu]

You're welcome. And I appreciate the sentiment behind what drives you.

[kayjayuu]

... I need an icon.

[kylinrouge]

While the original Tea Party was created as a bid for Ron Paul's presidency, what Ron Paul represented to them was a change in government. They believed neither side- Democrat nor Republican, would provide this change. In a way, you can see through Ron Paul's repeated failures that special interest groups and lobbying firms must see Ron Paul as being unwilling to be 'bought out' like the two main parties (the more left-leaning example would be Mike Gravel I believe).

It's unfortunate that the current TP has retconned this history into being a branch of the Republican party that it is today, but that's just how things are. If you don't like what it is now, then don't associate with it, but a label is just a label. It's pointless to be angry at the mis-characterization of its origins is what I'm trying to say.

[kayjayuu]

I'm angry at the label being mis-characterized when it's applied to me because I share beliefs with the origin.

I could also say that OWS is embracing association with powerful organizations and that the president is trying to co-opt whatever momentum he thinks it has. So in a few years it too will be OWS = unions/Democrat Party/Obama/Big Name Liberal Nonprofits/George Soros, and nothing more. Perfect for the powerful in business and politics, because then neither side can relate to each other, nor care to.

I reject the negative label, and I do it publicly.

[blueduck37]

Many groups are definitely attempting to co-opt OWS, for sure. I think they'll find it hard to do... the OWS people I know are way more anti-establishment than any protest group I've encountered in recent years.

[gunslnger]

Because at the core, it's the same group of socialist/anarchists that's been protesting for years, they just finally hit on a topic that other more rational people can understand.

[kylinrouge]

Is this another George Soros conspiracy theory?

[gunslnger]

He has nothing to do with it that I'm aware of. If he did, they might actually be accomplishing something.

[underlankers]

Yes, the government is the root of all evil, the private sector farts sunshines and pixies and rainbows.

[kayjayuu]

Yes, because that's what I said.

Honey, I was protesting corporations while you were literally still in diapers. Helluva lot of good it did.

The private sector at least gives me the option of saying no to most things, most of the time. Government is, by design, force. I cannot say "no" to them and expect to reasonably have it accepted without a massive fight that I usually cannot win.

In case you haven't noticed, government IS forcing the people to support corporations with the healthcare law. That bothers me. What about you?

[underlankers]

It bothers me, but honestly the whole way the bill was handled bothers me. If Obama had had the least political sense he would have nipped the Tea Party in the bud before it fairly got started as a reaction to his Health Care Bill. He thought it would blow over and that never works. Unfortunately the OWS movement is just an extension of everything wrong with the Tea Party...

[underlankers]

Oh, and the public sector also allows you to say no. It's called voting.

[kayjayuu]

Any chance of explaining how he could have nipped the Tea Party in the bud?

And how is OWS an extension of the bad parts of the Tea Party?

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