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mahnmut September 27 2011, 07:10:45 UTC
And which candidate would like to cut military spending, so I could vote for them please?

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enders_shadow September 27 2011, 07:55:58 UTC
Rick pArry

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mahnmut September 27 2011, 08:47:51 UTC
Go ahead then! And good luck with GWB v.2.0.

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enders_shadow September 27 2011, 09:50:48 UTC
no no, that's rick pErry.
big difference.

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katiechainsaw September 27 2011, 08:57:44 UTC
Have you read Understanding Power by Noam Chomsky? There's some great examples in there of why military spending is funded by the tax payers etc and how it's unlikely to change.

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luvdovz September 27 2011, 10:17:11 UTC
And those are? You've made me curious.

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katiechainsaw September 27 2011, 12:21:32 UTC
Well the two main points are tax payer consent/compliance/ignorance and the funding of high technology through the 'military system' (see the headers: 'The Military-Industrial Complex' and 'The Permanent War Economy ( ... )

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underlankers September 27 2011, 17:15:22 UTC
In other words in his usual pattern Chomsky's analysis consists of fuzzy judgments that use no specific examples and reflect his inability to analyze anything with actual humans involved. There's no reference to how new a great deal of that military spending is, or to anything of the social/political context in which the US and Soviet military-industrial complexes appeared. Nor is there any reference to anything of how this spending was often disastrous and counterproductive to the end it theoretically espoused.

Yup, that's the linguistic rock-star for you.

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enders_shadow September 27 2011, 18:03:51 UTC
one of my best friends from college, a brilliant and promising young man, dropped out and is now one of those grunts.

i can promise you this though--he wouldn't take a bullet for Wal-Mart.

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raichu100 September 27 2011, 11:41:25 UTC
wow, I just...

that makes me sad.

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RED FLAG rick_day September 27 2011, 13:40:50 UTC
Oh Boo!

This is comparing apples to oranges.

The number of humans 'employed' versus 'budget dollars' is not a really fair comparison.

The military infrastructure is always the last to implement technology upgrades, unless upgrades tend to make better quality craters. The 'backside', or administration, is still probably running Windows 95. Why? So it takes people to do the job machines should. Why? Because they are a bureaucratic entity; indeed, the biggest, therefore the best at adapting for survival. Hell, they got all the nukes! The bureaucracy makes sure the system is fucked up just enough so they are always needed as the Global Defenders.

Figure out how much of that DoD number is active military, and that will tell you what you are up against. You are not just cutting budgets. You are taking on Cthulhu armed with a toothpick. A very irritating toothpick.

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Re: RED FLAG montecristo September 27 2011, 21:17:19 UTC
Figure out how much of that DoD number is active military, and that will tell you what you are up against.

Given that much of Ron Paul's support comes from active military personel, and Ron Paul is the candidate who has received the most from active military personel, I would say that you can't count just the physical "number of bodies" in the military as a guage of how influencial it is. Much of the "rank and file membership" to not seem to be on board with the program. Maybe they aren't being cut in for a big enough piece of the deal by those at the top, perhaps.

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