Budget Crisis Meme

Aug 17, 2011 06:58

Simple Solutions To The US Budget Crisis:End two wars of occupation­­­­­­­­­­­­­­. Leave the Middle East and Central Asia ( Read more... )

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policraticus August 17 2011, 14:13:10 UTC
None of this will solve the budget crisis. You still have this problem:


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the_rukh August 17 2011, 14:14:42 UTC
How much return on investment do you think we're getting on The War Against Terror (TWAT)?

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TWAT nebris August 17 2011, 14:18:36 UTC
That is my fav acronym. lol

~M~

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policraticus August 17 2011, 14:21:37 UTC
I think it is too soon to say. We haven't had another major attack, Al Qaeda and its affiliates seem more and more enfeebled due to our aggressive actions to marginalize and eliminate them. That is good. Whether we can capitalize on this opportunity and integrate more of the Muslim world into the broader global market is an open question. You might as well have asked what return on investment we were getting in 1955 from the Cold War. Time will tell.

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the_rukh August 17 2011, 14:28:29 UTC
um, occupying countries doesn't protect us from terrorist attacks.

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policraticus August 17 2011, 14:34:47 UTC
All evidence to the contrary. Occupying Afghanistan completely disrupted Al Qaeda and forced it to focus on not being killed as opposed to planning more terrorist attacks. Hence, no more WTC attacks and more and more pathetic failures like the Underwear Bomber, failures that hurt the AQ brand, btw, and have increasingly shown them as the losers they are, not the heroes of Islam they wanted to be.

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policraticus August 17 2011, 16:10:44 UTC
Does your recycling destroy comets in deep space? Does your recycling redirect comets into new orbits, causing them to crash into other planets and not harm the Earth? Cause if it did, then yeah, I'd say your recycling has at least helped keep Earth safe from the comet menace. This doesn't mean a comet won't get past whatever it is your recycling does and still strike the Earth but with any luck it will be a smaller comet and do less damage than otherwise.

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kylinrouge August 17 2011, 15:03:53 UTC
Holy shit. You actually believe this.

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telemann August 17 2011, 15:22:47 UTC

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policraticus August 17 2011, 16:34:36 UTC
Obama's ruthless and unconstitutional use of predator drones, rendition, extrajudicial killings, his continuation of the illegal detention of innocent civilians in Guantanamo and his extension and expansion of the war in Afghanistan that costs many innocent lives and which continues to act as a magnet and prime recruiting tool for Al Qaeda and the Taliban are the only parts of his agenda that I am inclined to support.

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ddstory August 17 2011, 20:32:06 UTC
Wait, did you just say predator drones are unconstitutional? Is there some new amendment that I haven't heard of?

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ddstory August 18 2011, 07:26:21 UTC
So it's not specifically excluded by the Constitution - that same document which many conservatives keep reading as a Gospel? And now what's written there should be put into "context"? And by the way, whose context? Whomever it suits? Is Guantanamo unconstitutional? No? Then where were all the howlers who howl now at Obama when Bush was OK with Guantanamo? What about indefinite detention without trial of foreign citizens of a sovereign country, and "enhanced interrogation"? What's the context there?

What about fighting a couple of undeclared wars? What does the Constitution say about that?

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luvdovz August 17 2011, 15:35:17 UTC
If only it could be that simple. You drop some bombs, some guys disappear from sight, president announces Mission Accomplished, some guys throw confetti and everybody goes home.

Next thing you know, some guy with many Al-'s in his name takes power there and you're left scratching your head about what went wrong.

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policraticus August 17 2011, 16:18:12 UTC
The whole mission accomplished talking point is so thoroughly debunked that it shocks me people still bring it up. If nothing else it can be easily noted that no one went home and no one threw confetti. The war continued unabated until today and will continue in some form or another probably as long as the Cold War.

As I said below, on a long enough time scale anything can go to shit. All success is provisional. Some are talking semi-seriously about the return of fascism in Europe. That whole WWII thing might have been a complete waste of time, amirite?

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