That's another way to do it

[dreamville_bg]

While some are disseminating booklets telling refugees "Bad boy. Don't do that!", folks in Russia have decided enough is enough, and have taken the law in their own hands:

Refugees Find Out Russia Isn’t Norway

"The refugees groped and fondled the Russian women much like they do all through Europe. The refugees tried to flee the scene after a

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[abomvubuso]

If you call a lynch-mob "justice", and beating up anyone who crosses your way "another way to do it", then I guess you're right. But then again, this is Russia that we're talking about. The law applies only in some special circumstances.

[dreamville_bg]

And as it turns out, in most circumstances in the EU, the law only applies when that won't offend anyone.

[abomvubuso]

I say scrap all laws in Russia then, since there's obviously no need of them. And run the country through presidential decrees. They've come pretty close to that situation anyway, so why bother pretending any more.

[dreamville_bg]

As opposed to endless bureaucratic bickering that achieves nothing? I'd say go for it.

[abomvubuso]

Well, it's a matter of fundamental preference between the rule of law and the rule of force, I guess - in which case we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[dreamville_bg]

Again, it would be nice it the law was being applied evenly in all situations, regardless of whom that's going to offend - so I suppose I agree with your proposal.

[abomvubuso]

That's the thing with laws: if you want them to work properly, you have to give them time to, well, work properly. The alternative is snap decisions made at a whim by an omnipotent (hopefully benevolent?) father-knows-all sort of figure. If you prefer that sort of governance - I can respect that. I just don't trust that model, as a supposedly benevolent ruler could turn out to be not-so-benevolent just overnight; and curiously, the ones who've been advocating the most for that model of governance somehow tend to find themselves at the receiving end of said ruler's arbitrary whims more often than not. But no harm in some idealist pedestal-raising, I guess. It's been part of the Eastern mindset for far too long to be ignored, and old habits are hard to break, granted.

[dreamville_bg]

Giving something or somebody time to work is fine, as long as they show even the slightest willingness to work, or at least move into a direction that would make them look as if they're "working on it". Unfortunately, too many people in a position of power in Europe have allowed themselves to get brainwashed to such an extent that at this point they're not just unwilling but incapable of making the slightest step in that direction.

This is going to get much, much worse, before it starts getting better.

[nairiporter]

Like I have said before, having a Hitler is the easier option - and the self-destructive one.

[dreamville_bg]

Deep.

[nairiporter]

Also happens to be true, if history is any guide.

[dreamville_bg]

Yes, because what I've argued here totally amounts to calling for another Hitler.

Perfect case-in-point for my observation about strawman being by far the most prevalent fallacy around this type of forums.

[nairiporter]

I do not know what you imagine to have argued, but the alternative to the rule of law is the law of force - Hitler or not, this is what authoritarianism is about. On some occasions it may appear more efficient in that it tends to make decisions faster and easier. As for the other occasions - you are not going to like it.

[dreamville_bg]

Thanks for this lecture as well. I'll just let you know that I've actually lived in an authoritarian society for a time.

[nairiporter]

Good! Then you know exactly what I am lecturing talking about.

[dreamville_bg]

More than you think.