This is going nowhere a nice place...

[dreamville_bg]

How to avoid being spat at, beaten, abused, or gang-raped by foreigners in your own country without being accused of having "looked for it" by "enticing" them, or prosecuted for trying to defend yourself?

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[luvdovz]

So when people here gather to execute their rightful prerogative of expressing their political opinion on rallies and protests, the police goes trigger-happy and draws the batons in a heartbeat...

...But when a horde of people from another country rampage on the streets, that same police bends over backwards to downsize the issue, and even present it as if YOU are the one responsible for it?

What sort of lawful state is that? And what gives it the legitimacy to pontificate about anything remotely related to justice, and human rights!?

[dreamville_bg]

Beats me. I've stopped trying to make sense of political correctness a long time ago.

[johnny9fingers]

That's not "political correctness".

It is possible to dislike, and be antithetical towards: racism, sexism, and homophobia, the language of oppression, and general bad manners, without turning a blind eye to manifestly criminal behaviour merely because the perps are people to whom you have been kind and given alms and shelter.

Criminal acts are criminal acts, if you will excuse the tautology. They deserve the sanctions reserved for such actions. Mitigating circumstances may or may not be taken in to account, but that depends on individual contexts.

However, the lumpen and somewhat dog-whistle categorisation of good manners, courtesy, and noble feeling as "political correctness" which is a common trope amongst almost everyone from the centre to the fringes of the right, looks like a lazy appeal to lazy thinkers.

[dreamville_bg]

Look, that's a very nice story, and I do understand the tempting drive to paint those you disagree with as despicable evil human beings, but the fact of the matter is that the response (or rather, lack thereof) that we've been seeing so far from the authorities to these atrocities, is anything BUT a display of "good manners, courtesy, and noble feeling". It's more likely a confused attempt to avoid taking responsibility and facing the consequences of the fact that they might have, you know, rushed to the wrong decisions, even if, admittedly, for good intentions.

The really lazy thing here is to keep pretending that the problem doesn't exist, or that it isn't as serious as it is. The one even lazier thing is to stick labels to people and call them all sorts of names for the mere fact of bringing up the problem.

[nairiporter]

It is the slowness of the authorities' reaction that has bugged people this much - and it is this slowness that stems from the fact that in Western society, there are certain institutions, procedures, checks and balances, and things are supposed to be happening in a certain order. As opposed to just one dictator making snap decisions at a whim. Perhaps Western society could try to speed up their reaction in situations as untypical as these, granted. That doesn't mean that reacting harshly, disproportionately and without thinking this through as thoroughly as possible, just for the sake of speed, is the better way to go.

Have some patience, is all I am saying. The whole machine will get into rhythm. The authorities will come up with the optimal response to this situation eventually - and if it does not, the public will correct them.

Having a Hitler is the easier option, I know. And the self-destructive one.

[abomvubuso]

Case in point.

[dreamville_bg]

Good luck making them stop treating women like garbage through leaflets.

You see, this is exactly why the current approach is failing - because we fail to understand where these people are coming from. And where they come from, the only incentive that's fully understood is the stick. Even Aydah Ozoguz herself has said it:

“This isn’t about cultural misunderstanding but about extreme wrongdoing. You can’t respond to this with integration courses, but only with punishment and if necessary deportation.”

She must know. Her parents came exactly where these new migrants are coming from.

[abomvubuso]

Place all the cards on the table - that's what these "booklets" are about. They're not meant to "make" anybody do anything. They're doing what should've been done a long time ago - making the first step, namely: telling the migrants in clear terms what the rules of the place are, and follows if they break the rules. Isn't naming things with their names what you so eloquently insisted on?

[ddstory]

Best part of the story: the schadenfreudig way that I'm often told how America should have nothing to do with the consequences of a problem that it helped create.

[htpcl]

The German media and authorities have lost most of their credibility within the course of a few days, after they hid from their own people for several weeks that a huge number of their own women had been screwed and abused. Then they excused themselves with half a mouth with the reason that they had covered it all up for the sake of keeping public peace. Some might call this "good manners". I, and most of the German society, now call it with its real name: treason. The German people were betrayed by their own law enforcement authorities - you know, the ones that are supposed to keep them safe. And then these colluded with the media (the ones that are supposed to keep them informed about the truth, no matter how tough it is) to lie to their own public

[abomvubuso]

Indeed, it's not going anywhere a nice place.