Free Cuba! Obama: “leave behind the legacy of both colonialism and communism"

[rick_day]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/us-cuba-diplomatic-relations-obama-raul-castro In a speech at the White House on Wednesday, President Obama announced that the United States will restore full diplomatic relations

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[luzribeiro]

Now imagine how Russians view the evil US/EU colonialists meddling in a country right under their nose. The US was prepared to go all-nuclear about an island a few miles away from its shores; I'm wondering how can anyone expect Russia to be a-OK with someone snatching their biggest trophy right from under their nose, and not put up a fight about it.

[garote]

Well, it wasn't exactly a snatch. The "trophy" got up and walked away from them.

Wait, what?

[geezer_also]

I thought the Ukraine was a sovereign country.

A similar scenario would be the US putting missiles in, oh, say Poland...and not removing them

[luzribeiro]

I thought the Ukraine was a sovereign country.

Does it know that you think so?

Which planet do you live on?

[vitsli]

So, is it not a sovereign country?

[luzribeiro]

How is it a sovereign country? It's a pawn that's being tossed between Europe, America and Russia. A sovereign country is free to choose its own path, free from foreign influence. Exactly how is Ukraine any of that?

It is by definition.

[rick_day]

Lot of absolutisms stated there. Even the US is not free to choose its own path in the Middle East, due to an (my opinion) unreasonable influence Tel Aviv has with DC). Are the koreas also pawns?

To me, a non sovereign state is like Waco Texas with the Branch Davidians.

Saying Ukraine is not a sovereign is like stating Poland was not because of it being used as a pawn of war by Germany and then USSR.

wiki - International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.It is also normally understood that a state is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.The US, GB, and Europe recognizes its sovereignty, so should we

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[geezer_also]

Actually I think the argument was because she thought she had a "gotcha" moment. ;)

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[luzribeiro]

Actually your umpteenth attempt of discussing 3rd persons which is supposed to not be taken as a hostile passive-aggressive snipe at them, is hardly surprising.

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[geezer_also]

You are correct I should have addressed you directly, however, since in your replies to other people regarding my original comment, you have no true grasp of the concept of sovereignty; nor understanding of the Cuban Missile Crisis, ("going all nuclear"). I was perfectly willing to ignore your direct insult to me ("what planet are you from").
I will give you credit for not being passive-aggressive, but just going directly to hostile.
I am curious whether you are actually ignorant or willfully so as to facilitate "attacking" the U.S, and certain posters.

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[luzribeiro]

You may have received an answer, had you not resorted to petty hits under the belt, taken directly from the classic trollbook.

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[nairiporter]

OK I think it's time to put an end to this unnecessary hostility. Back to your corners. Now.

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[nairiporter]

Same to you. You know better than this.

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[luzribeiro]

Well, the US doesn't have its ministers appointed by a foreign country, does it? And neither is it put at a choice between one alliance and another, "or else". And neither does its entire economy depend on the decisions of a neighboring leader or a bunch of bureaucrats ruling a political block thousands of miles away. Or on the supply of a single resource from a hostile country.

Since you mentioned Poland, it's in fact is much more sovereign than Ukraine - at least it's trying to pursue its own policies (although it, too, is being used as a military launching pad by the US, what with the planned anti-missile shield, the secret CIA centers, etc).

You can play Wiki-fu at me all you want. Ukraine is sovereign only nominally.

I think you are arguing that because the way the alleged super powers move them around "as pawns" they have no SPIRIT of sovereignty.At least you did talk it straight eventually, albeit after having pretended for quite a while that you weren't getting my point. But your effort at solipsism has been duly noted.

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[rick_day]

Are we done here?

Because we really should be done here.

Edit: well I do need to comment on your pre edited comments:

Well, the US doesn't have its ministers appointed by a foreign country, does it? And neither is it put at a choice between one alliance and another, "or else". And neither does its entire economy depend on the decisions of a neighboring leader or a bunch of bureaucrats ruling a political block thousands of miles away. Or on the supply of a single resource from a hostile country.

Since you mentioned Poland, it's in fact is much more sovereign than Ukraine - at least it's trying to pursue its own policies (although it, too, is being used as a military launching pad by the US, what with the planned anti-missile shield, the secret CIA centers, etc).

You can play Wiki-fu at me all you want. Ukraine is sovereign only nominally.The common ground we have is there are varying degrees of sovereignty. On that we agree. On the situation we agree: no one should be "doing" those things to any nation

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[luzribeiro]

I'm not talking of "free" nation. I'm talking of sovereignty, which is essentially a sufficient degree of autonomous decision-making. Which, let's face it, right now (not a century or half a century ago), RIGHT NOW, Ukraine does not have.

Not sure what your first two lines really mean, and I don't think I want to know.