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May 13, 2007 21:36

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gitanoamericano May 14 2007, 02:42:33 UTC
I actually really like it. There's good evidence that our minds understand language in tree structure. Now, if the program fails at it, it could cause more harm than good. Especially now that you don't need to fill the line because everything isn't on paper, there's no reason to not let the document get long. What's wrong with comprehension?

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talentedmrraber May 14 2007, 02:55:47 UTC
actual syntax trees don't look like that, though: they are much more complex. this software chooses to break down sentences into units whose relationship to the mind's units is bound to be a bit arbitrary. the indentations this thing uses, for instance, don't make a lot of sense. why are lines 4, 8, and 11 all indented the same? 11 is clearly subordinate to 8, in that "the separate and equal station" is what is being "assumed."

as for "comprehension," the things "comprehension tests" test for may be enhanced by this software---in all likelihood it was developed using those tests! but, as a close-reading zealot, i fear that for every aspect of comprehension enhanced by this thing, something else will be lost.

an analogy: this program is like an automatic microscope focuser that always focuses to the same setting. that's fine if you're not very good with microscopes, but if you can use the microscope yourself, it's really more of an impediment than an advantage.

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slartucker May 14 2007, 14:23:23 UTC
What if it did look like an actual syntax tree, though? ...never mind that who knows how the brain *actually* processes this stuff, and that most varieties of actual syntax tree would be an impediment to reading; suppose the line breaks and intendentations were a little more regular, syntactically, and made sense?

That said, the microscope analogy makes sense.

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talentedmrraber May 14 2007, 14:34:50 UTC
Well, that's my point, it can't look like an actual syntax tree. What's wrong with the current system again? I know shorter line lengths are good, so we can just have shorter lines if we want. I dislike the extra layer of structural interpretation that this program adds.

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ladymedb May 14 2007, 15:55:13 UTC
I think this ends up being a commentary on the efficacy and place of free verse in the poetic canon, actually.

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talentedmrraber May 14 2007, 16:29:17 UTC
It's true, this thing is just an enjambment machine. It just enjambs so hard, all day and all night.

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ashleyisachild May 14 2007, 15:56:43 UTC
Hey. I find it stupid too. I actually find it harder to read the latter that's all broken up. I think having to mentally break down the clauses of a passage is what helps me comprehend the meaning of it.

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talentedmrraber May 14 2007, 16:24:21 UTC
Word. Yes. That is what I have been trying to say.

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ashleyisachild May 15 2007, 17:58:26 UTC
Word.

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ashleyisachild May 15 2007, 17:59:35 UTC
PS. I'm sad to say I could read what "1n74rn375" said at first glance. And only 3 of those 9 characters are letters!!

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hydrobromic May 15 2007, 02:40:56 UTC
re: improved comprehension.

what controls did they have? Did they test their bot against lines of equal width, of < 50 chars? Did they test it against a bot which returns and indents lines arbitrarily?

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