I think the fact the Jin had never met his daughter helped in his decision to stay. He didn't know her at all, but knew she was being cared for. Plus, when you strive for years to find someone you don't just walk away that easily.
It was surprising to see the amount of wreckage pinning Sun. It almost stretched believeability at that point. I can see Flocke needing to kill the candidates in order to become free of the island, and I can see Jack believing that the bomb couldn't hurt them, or him at least after that last encounter on the Black Rock, but, it would seem either the bomb would work or it wouldn't. I wouldn't think that Sawyer pulling the wire out would make it now be able to detonate any more than the timer organically reaching zero. Still, it was nice seeing DarkSayid becoming a hero, if only for a moment, and the death scene between S&J was very touching.
I don't like the fact that Damon and Lindoff have stated that there will be questions and confusion left at the end of the series and that people will have to figure it out for themselves as they are taking a vow of Lost silence after the finale runs. Hopefully it will be a little bit more satisfying than the end of Battlestar Galactica. I guess we won't have to wait very long to find out.
I enjoyed seeing DarkSayid manage to redeem himself, and I suspect that having Sun & Jin die together is as close to a happy ending as anyone is likely to see on or near the Island.
There's no doubt that there will be questions and confusion after the end of the series, even if they were to do as I'd previously mused, and had a two-hour finale which was just Eloise & Daniel standing in front of a blackboard giving a full-out lecture on what the frag has been going on! What gets me is that, at this point in the game, the creators seem to think that going out of their way to tell us that the Smoke Monster is a bad guy at this point is something that the viewers had not yet picked up on is pretty insulting. Have they really provided ANY answers yet that most of us hadn't figured out seasons ago? Would it really kill them--or the "mystery" of the Island to explain why women could deliver babies normally there well into the 1970s, but not in more recent years? Given that as near as I can tell, the birthing problem started around the same time that Ben became leader, I don't see any better option than my own theory that it is somehow his fault--either the Island somehow became attuned to his own deep-seated trauma about his own mother dying while giving birth to him, or whatever underhanded means he used to end Charles & Eloise's term/s as Leader when he replaced them somehow threw things out of sync, and effected the Others' fertility in some way? How about telling us that Eloise was the last person before Ben to use the Donkey Wheel, and that's how Charles (who left by sub) knew to have that section of desert monitored? Since they're making a big deal about Kate's name having been scratched off the List, how about telling us WHY? Jack's been so dense in realizing that the vast majority of his decisions have been horrifically wrong that he must have a Dwarf Star where his brain should be, and Sawyer's longest bout of unselfishness took place in the untelevised three years he spent with Juliet in the 1970s, so frankly, I can't count them. As annoying as she is, Kate has at least been a decent human being since she's been on the Island, and a absolute paragon of virtue compared to those two, so what makes her not good enough to be a candidate anymore, if she WAS good enough when she boarded that Oceanic 815? Heck, I'd still like to know why the heck the Dharma Group was still airlifting food to the Island DECADES after their people were wiped out by the "Hostiles"/Others? Was Clancy Brown a Dharman or an Other, or is the Dharma Initiative a subsidiary of LexCorps? And the biggest question of all: Did the people in charge of this show actually have a plan, or did they just fling random poo and are now trying to pretend there was a plan?
I was going to comment about the amount of vitriol you seem to have developed for this show, but after last night's episode I am right there with you. NO PLAN! THEY'VE GOT NO PLAN!!!!
At this point, I'm actually starting to HOPE that this ends with someone walking up, and Jenna Elfman explaining to them that it's all been a virtual reality experiment conducted by the Dharma Initiative...
Obviously, I meant "waking" up, altho some random person just walking up and announcing that it was all dream and we should all just move along and forget about it would not be out of the question either...
I've said all along that I don't think they had the "Master Plan" they've been claiming. There have been too many interviews where Carlton, Damon or JJ have made comments about "our decision to do thus-and-such was based on someone suggesting it in the writer's room, and the rest of us thinking it was cool." When a show "with a master plan" turns a 6 episode guest shot into a lead character central to the mythology, you have to doubt whether there really was a plan all along.
Still, the fact that there is/was no real Master Plan, and this season has mostly been about finishing the characters arcs for our original main characters, doesn't bother me as much as it bothers other people. I can deal with the fact that they're scrambling (somewhat) to give some kind of conclusion, as long as I'm satisfied with the conclusion I get. Mostly, I'll be happy as long as the island doesn't turn out to be Atlantis.
And the lack of a Plan doesn't take away from the fact that some of these actors have turned in the best work of their careers. Michael Emerson, Henry Ian Cusick, Terry O'Quinn and even Elizabeth Mitchell have given better performances (and in some cases been given better scripts) on LOST than anyplace else in their resume. I'll carry those episodes with me, even if the ending disappoints beyond compare (and I'm prepared that it may very well do so).
If the Island isn't at least related to Atlantis, where did all those white people come from last week, apparently quite some time before all the Egyptian temples and statues were built? Admittedly, "Claudia" is a Roman name, and "Jacob" is a Hebrew one, but I'm assuming that those names have been "updated" from their original language, just as "Ricardo" became "Richard". I suppose Ultima Thule could be vacationing in South Pacific...
But serious, given that the whole childbirth thing has been a key element of the series ever since we first saw Claire in Episode One, I'm going to be ticked if the half-wits in charge don't think addressing it in someway isn't as important as revealing that the "Adam & Eve" skeletons were adoptive Mother & son (it would be nice if it turned out that Smokie's original body could be the key to defeating him somehow, and certainly Miles would be able to find out who it was, since apparently, dead bodies speak to him, while spirits speak to Hurley--maybe that's where Ben, Richard, & Miles have been, lo these many epis? This is me, not holding my breath).
We always assume Atlanteans were white, because a Greek guy was the first one who told us about it, don't we?
Another thing I used to mention a lot more in my reviews, and which I haven't mentioned in a while, is the role of children -- not just the emphasis on childbirth or lack thereof on the Island, but the kids themselves. I think you and I agreed months ago that we're not likely to see any kind of resolution to why Aaron and Walt especially were deemed "important." With the introduction of the Lighthouse, though, I'm foreseeing a post-script (perhaps part of this mysterious half-hour they've added on to that final episode) where Jack has the Lighthouse functioning again, and he uses it to spy on Aaron, Walt, Ji-Yeon, Charlie Hume, Sawyer's daughter (Clementine?) and, if the timelines do converge without one eradicating the other, probably David Shepherd. Probably with the indication that one of them is destined to be Jack's replacement (or to start a familial line that 300 years from now will give us Jack's successor, or some such nonsense).
I'll be pleasantly surprised if we see the answers to any of these questions -- what I think we will see is more death and destruction. We still don't know why Smokey can't leave the Island as long as there's a Guardian, and I doubt that will get further explained either.
It was surprising to see the amount of wreckage pinning Sun. It almost stretched believeability at that point. I can see Flocke needing to kill the candidates in order to become free of the island, and I can see Jack believing that the bomb couldn't hurt them, or him at least after that last encounter on the Black Rock, but, it would seem either the bomb would work or it wouldn't. I wouldn't think that Sawyer pulling the wire out would make it now be able to detonate any more than the timer organically reaching zero.
Still, it was nice seeing DarkSayid becoming a hero, if only for a moment, and the death scene between S&J was very touching.
I don't like the fact that Damon and Lindoff have stated that there will be questions and confusion left at the end of the series and that people will have to figure it out for themselves as they are taking a vow of Lost silence after the finale runs. Hopefully it will be a little bit more satisfying than the end of Battlestar Galactica. I guess we won't have to wait very long to find out.
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There's no doubt that there will be questions and confusion after the end of the series, even if they were to do as I'd previously mused, and had a two-hour finale which was just Eloise & Daniel standing in front of a blackboard giving a full-out lecture on what the frag has been going on! What gets me is that, at this point in the game, the creators seem to think that going out of their way to tell us that the Smoke Monster is a bad guy at this point is something that the viewers had not yet picked up on is pretty insulting. Have they really provided ANY answers yet that most of us hadn't figured out seasons ago? Would it really kill them--or the "mystery" of the Island to explain why women could deliver babies normally there well into the 1970s, but not in more recent years? Given that as near as I can tell, the birthing problem started around the same time that Ben became leader, I don't see any better option than my own theory that it is somehow his fault--either the Island somehow became attuned to his own deep-seated trauma about his own mother dying while giving birth to him, or whatever underhanded means he used to end Charles & Eloise's term/s as Leader when he replaced them somehow threw things out of sync, and effected the Others' fertility in some way? How about telling us that Eloise was the last person before Ben to use the Donkey Wheel, and that's how Charles (who left by sub) knew to have that section of desert monitored? Since they're making a big deal about Kate's name having been scratched off the List, how about telling us WHY? Jack's been so dense in realizing that the vast majority of his decisions have been horrifically wrong that he must have a Dwarf Star where his brain should be, and Sawyer's longest bout of unselfishness took place in the untelevised three years he spent with Juliet in the 1970s, so frankly, I can't count them. As annoying as she is, Kate has at least been a decent human being since she's been on the Island, and a absolute paragon of virtue compared to those two, so what makes her not good enough to be a candidate anymore, if she WAS good enough when she boarded that Oceanic 815? Heck, I'd still like to know why the heck the Dharma Group was still airlifting food to the Island DECADES after their people were wiped out by the "Hostiles"/Others? Was Clancy Brown a Dharman or an Other, or is the Dharma Initiative a subsidiary of LexCorps? And the biggest question of all: Did the people in charge of this show actually have a plan, or did they just fling random poo and are now trying to pretend there was a plan?
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Still, the fact that there is/was no real Master Plan, and this season has mostly been about finishing the characters arcs for our original main characters, doesn't bother me as much as it bothers other people. I can deal with the fact that they're scrambling (somewhat) to give some kind of conclusion, as long as I'm satisfied with the conclusion I get. Mostly, I'll be happy as long as the island doesn't turn out to be Atlantis.
And the lack of a Plan doesn't take away from the fact that some of these actors have turned in the best work of their careers. Michael Emerson, Henry Ian Cusick, Terry O'Quinn and even Elizabeth Mitchell have given better performances (and in some cases been given better scripts) on LOST than anyplace else in their resume. I'll carry those episodes with me, even if the ending disappoints beyond compare (and I'm prepared that it may very well do so).
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But serious, given that the whole childbirth thing has been a key element of the series ever since we first saw Claire in Episode One, I'm going to be ticked if the half-wits in charge don't think addressing it in someway isn't as important as revealing that the "Adam & Eve" skeletons were adoptive Mother & son (it would be nice if it turned out that Smokie's original body could be the key to defeating him somehow, and certainly Miles would be able to find out who it was, since apparently, dead bodies speak to him, while spirits speak to Hurley--maybe that's where Ben, Richard, & Miles have been, lo these many epis? This is me, not holding my breath).
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Another thing I used to mention a lot more in my reviews, and which I haven't mentioned in a while, is the role of children -- not just the emphasis on childbirth or lack thereof on the Island, but the kids themselves. I think you and I agreed months ago that we're not likely to see any kind of resolution to why Aaron and Walt especially were deemed "important." With the introduction of the Lighthouse, though, I'm foreseeing a post-script (perhaps part of this mysterious half-hour they've added on to that final episode) where Jack has the Lighthouse functioning again, and he uses it to spy on Aaron, Walt, Ji-Yeon, Charlie Hume, Sawyer's daughter (Clementine?) and, if the timelines do converge without one eradicating the other, probably David Shepherd. Probably with the indication that one of them is destined to be Jack's replacement (or to start a familial line that 300 years from now will give us Jack's successor, or some such nonsense).
I'll be pleasantly surprised if we see the answers to any of these questions -- what I think we will see is more death and destruction. We still don't know why Smokey can't leave the Island as long as there's a Guardian, and I doubt that will get further explained either.
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