On that subject. ALASTAIR. I'm still sorting through that whole bit, because it's so damn twisty in what it's saying and what's going on. In the good bad fascinating way. I love that Alastair's pissed that Sam was the one to truly carve Dean into a new animal (and makes the rivalry thing EVEN MORE awesomely twisted), to make him something other than human, and how he tries to take some of the credit back for himself by saying Dean said yes even though he didn't really, although he kinda did, and it's all just GAH. (Also, Al? OF COURSE it was Sam. Do you even know these guys? Only adamantium can impact adamantium and only family can impact family and only Winchester can impact Winchester. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. Fail.)
The thing that I'm basically stuck on, turning over and over again in my head, is that Al turned Dean's skin into "Sam". I mean, I get the whole saying yes thing and all of that (and liked the way you played that), but it's the using Dean's skin part that I don't yet know how to weigh in story/symbolism terms. I mean, is that just Alastair getting his kicks? Or is there a meta undercurrent there too? There's some resonance in that it was Sam who reconstructed Dean in Dean's skin, but I feel like I won't be able to see where that fits until I know the whole story. I'm okay with all of that, but it's got me intrigued.
As for the rest, well, you know I'm just watching Dean on the screen and shadowboxing along. I appreciate Dean probably appreciating that he's gutting the brother of the man who tried to kill his brother for himself (and love how that reinforces the sense that this is just meat, now; this is straight-up just ... parts, there is no *human* transference there at all). Also, I'm guessing I can't make Dean summon a demon and shove it into Bobby for Sam to feed on through the sheer force of my urging brain? BECAUSE I WANT TO AND I DON'T FEEL EVEN A LITTLE BIT BAD ABOUT IT.
HOWEVER, Dean's got other plans for that and I'm guessing you have other plans for Bobby, and I'm sure I'll enjoy that JUST FINE.
INORITE!? It's gonna suck for them when they run into him for real. O.o
In this chapter, it was really important for me to reclaim the panic room scenario. I will go more into Alastair later - I always found it interesting that Sam had a hallucination of Alastair in canon, and not someone that was after SAM, like Lilith - and there is, of course, a reason he knows him in the repo verse. You have to remember Sam has been very quiet ... well, this whole story. Lots of untread water there.
Dean's memory from hell could be said to have a lot of layered meanings. (Like I said before, 7 layer salad ... 7 layers between the dermis and epidermis (O.o), woah, lol, that was not on purpose but it's creepy.) There are definitely strong metaphors between the skin suit and a meat suit - there has been a running thread through the story about Dean not fitting right anymore in his own skin, and now he is literally possessing his own body. There are also all the plans so many other players have for Dean, and how they view him, being a vessel, etc.
However, the key to this chapter is really all in the title. (The most obvious answer is probably the truth.)
Alastair wouldn't accept Dean's yes until Dean had given up everything that he holding on to that was giving him the strength to say no. ( If they are soulmates, and all Dean was in hell was a soul, then the last part to go was the part that was Sam.)Sam was the last piece of his humanity that Alastair carved away. Until he cut Sam out of Dean, Dean couldn't be his apprentice.
(Occam's Razor also applies to Dean's current state of being. If you have a demon's powers and you are affected by things that a demon is affected by and your eyes sometimes turn black, denying yourself three times doesn't make you any less of a demon.)
As for the rest, well, you know I'm just watching Dean on the screen and shadowboxing along ... BECAUSE I WANT TO AND I DON'T FEEL EVEN A LITTLE BIT BAD ABOUT IT.
*re-reads the part about how monsters that hunt monsters don't have to be evil and this verse is so optimistic, then chuckles at the rationalization that killing 6 non possessed hunters in cold blood is okay just because they were hunting a monster*
Tee-hee.
Basically ... SamnDean are SamnDean, to us. We're biased.
The thing that I'm basically stuck on, turning over and over again in my head, is that Al turned Dean's skin into "Sam". I mean, I get the whole saying yes thing and all of that (and liked the way you played that), but it's the using Dean's skin part that I don't yet know how to weigh in story/symbolism terms. I mean, is that just Alastair getting his kicks? Or is there a meta undercurrent there too? There's some resonance in that it was Sam who reconstructed Dean in Dean's skin, but I feel like I won't be able to see where that fits until I know the whole story. I'm okay with all of that, but it's got me intrigued.
As for the rest, well, you know I'm just watching Dean on the screen and shadowboxing along. I appreciate Dean probably appreciating that he's gutting the brother of the man who tried to kill his brother for himself (and love how that reinforces the sense that this is just meat, now; this is straight-up just ... parts, there is no *human* transference there at all). Also, I'm guessing I can't make Dean summon a demon and shove it into Bobby for Sam to feed on through the sheer force of my urging brain? BECAUSE I WANT TO AND I DON'T FEEL EVEN A LITTLE BIT BAD ABOUT IT.
HOWEVER, Dean's got other plans for that and I'm guessing you have other plans for Bobby, and I'm sure I'll enjoy that JUST FINE.
*stares fixedly at you*
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INORITE!? It's gonna suck for them when they run into him for real. O.o
In this chapter, it was really important for me to reclaim the panic room scenario. I will go more into Alastair later - I always found it interesting that Sam had a hallucination of Alastair in canon, and not someone that was after SAM, like Lilith - and there is, of course, a reason he knows him in the repo verse. You have to remember Sam has been very quiet ... well, this whole story. Lots of untread water there.
Dean's memory from hell could be said to have a lot of layered meanings. (Like I said before, 7 layer salad ... 7 layers between the dermis and epidermis (O.o), woah, lol, that was not on purpose but it's creepy.) There are definitely strong metaphors between the skin suit and a meat suit - there has been a running thread through the story about Dean not fitting right anymore in his own skin, and now he is literally possessing his own body. There are also all the plans so many other players have for Dean, and how they view him, being a vessel, etc.
However, the key to this chapter is really all in the title. (The most obvious answer is probably the truth.)
Alastair wouldn't accept Dean's yes until Dean had given up everything that he holding on to that was giving him the strength to say no. ( If they are soulmates, and all Dean was in hell was a soul, then the last part to go was the part that was Sam.)Sam was the last piece of his humanity that Alastair carved away. Until he cut Sam out of Dean, Dean couldn't be his apprentice.
(Occam's Razor also applies to Dean's current state of being. If you have a demon's powers and you are affected by things that a demon is affected by and your eyes sometimes turn black, denying yourself three times doesn't make you any less of a demon.)
As for the rest, well, you know I'm just watching Dean on the screen and shadowboxing along ... BECAUSE I WANT TO AND I DON'T FEEL EVEN A LITTLE BIT BAD ABOUT IT.
*re-reads the part about how monsters that hunt monsters don't have to be evil and this verse is so optimistic, then chuckles at the rationalization that killing 6 non possessed hunters in cold blood is okay just because they were hunting a monster*
Tee-hee.
Basically ... SamnDean are SamnDean, to us. We're biased.
*hugs you*
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