*blank stare*

Mar 24, 2005 17:16

. . . . you think tai chi can't be aggressive?

Have you seen what those pretty airy movements translate to at speed? Have you seen the weapons that tai chi users have come up with? Star Trek based the Klingon weapons off tai chi work!

Reactive martial art, I will grant you--the tai chi user reacts to someone else's action. But not aggressive?

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larathia March 25 2005, 01:58:22 UTC
*g* Welcome to the wide, wonderful world that is Nodhi's brain.

There is no point, in the end. He was told to learn it, so he did. He was told he must be able to defend his life in the event the House was attacked. That is exactly what he learned to do. It has never occurred to Nodhi that he might want to permanently disable or kill an opponent, even if they're trying to kill him.

The one time that I know of that he did kill, and not because he was ordered to, it was a purely panicked response and not, I think, what he actually intended to do.

And he DID learn dance to learn grace; that's how he became "Dancer". You'll note that, given any kind of choice, on his own he tends to prefer to practice his yoga or his dancing than his martial arts. The only time he practices his martial arts is when he's exercising with someone else who has an interest in that form of exercise, or learning his forms from him.

He was ordered to learn martial arts, so he did.
He was ordered to be able to defend his life; assuming he didn't curl up in a teeny whimpering panicball, he'd be able to use the martial arts he has to effectively defend his life. He certainly whups ass in training matches.

he didn't learn it because he wanted to, silly. What on earth would Nodhi want with a form of movement that can kill people?

He has much more fun with dance. As far as he's concerned, martial arts sparring is kind of a rough game of tag. *g*

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taennyn March 25 2005, 02:06:53 UTC
Firstly:

He should not be teaching others any martial arts.

He is doing well more than half of the moves wrong, by not following up, and training others into this is not appropriate.

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larathia March 25 2005, 02:14:48 UTC
*amused* What he teaches them is not aikido, judo, or tai chi, this is true. It's something entirely his own - he just doesn't know that, and would likely be quite baffled if it were explained to him.

I think Alphonse is the first person from any Earth variant he's shown any of it to; I'll let him know that he should consider it a unique form of its own and not what Nodhi calls it. To anyone else, it's like saying "that's not qzsksl, it's garfarine" - it's just a word either way.

But for what he uses it for, it's a very effective self defense form. He's flipped Squall into walls - and Taran. And, this morning, Kiel. So it has value of a kind.

Care to name it something? I don't particularly fancy the meltdown Nodhi would have if it got hammered into his head he's supposed to hurt people with this stuff, but if he can be told "what you're doing is not that, it's this other thing", it'd save a lot of trouble.

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taennyn March 25 2005, 02:32:00 UTC
Ygrata na Tanschevta or Otcloneniye spring to mind. The first relates to dancing, the second deflection.

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larathia March 25 2005, 02:34:14 UTC
*blinks* ...Wow, those are mouthfuls. Can the first be shortened to "ygrata", or is someone somewhere going to crack up laughing if I do that?

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taennyn March 25 2005, 02:48:39 UTC
*mouth quirks slightly* It can be shortened so, yes.

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larathia March 25 2005, 02:56:52 UTC
*peers* You're laughing....

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taennyn March 25 2005, 03:20:34 UTC
Yes, I am.

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larathia March 25 2005, 03:34:17 UTC
Why for are you laughing at me?

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taennyn March 25 2005, 03:57:42 UTC
Because instead of picking something like "chevta", you went for the one with the . . interesting meaning. "Ygrata" is a euphemism for getting off.

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larathia March 25 2005, 04:03:04 UTC
...regardless of how appropriate this might be for Nodhi specifically.... no.

*sigh*

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taennyn March 25 2005, 02:09:00 UTC
Secondly: I assume he is an exception in his former society, in that he learned to fight without any attendant ability to externalise the need to fight--or by rights that society should have collapsed by now. Or do the women of a house act as the fighters and soldiers, leaving the men behind to act as a last line of defense by distracting the hell out of invaders until a woman can arrive and actually kill the intruder?

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larathia March 25 2005, 02:23:46 UTC
He is ...rare. Not unique, but rare, yes. Most of the men that were taught how to fight, as far as I can tell fought quite well. You were telling me Nodhi is broken; this is one of the breaks I know he has. He's an empath. It's not that he can't, in abstract, see the need to be able to defend oneself. It's the part where this involves hurting someone, at a physical range where doing so would hurt him, that he never grasped. Hell, even Laguna has huge problems with genuine hand to hand, and he served in active military duty for a decade and more.

As far as I know, Nodhi and his probable-father were the only empaths in that household, and that household consisted of the Lady of the house and a few hundred slaves, most of whom worked on an underground farm. Empaths, I think, are probably quite rare.

The women of the house do not act as soldiers. From what I gather, they consider physical combat to be something left to the men, mostly out of an attitude of moral superiority; the general belief was that without the collars, men were brute animals.

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taennyn March 25 2005, 02:47:13 UTC
. . . . I look forward to the day that society runs into something real with a vicious form of glee. A few Freman, a few Bene Gesserit . . .

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larathia March 25 2005, 02:55:56 UTC
And on that day, Taran will be selling tickets and giving out free popcorn, believe me. The place gave him the willies.

That said - Nodhi is not typical. Firstly, he is by nature compliant/submissive. Secondly, he is a fairly strong empath. Take away either of these factors and you get very different results, even with the collar. The collar doesn't affect how slaves treat other slaves - they affect how slaves treat the free women, the owners.

Nodhi is a house slave; he's met - and been attacked by - the slaves who work outside the House. His own house...I don't know if it was unusual or not, but his particular mistress had a Thing for having only young beautiful boys where she could see them. And she had rules about not making them less beautiful. So he got a much easier ride than might have otherwise been the case, which is good, because if he'd had to work in the caverns I think he'd have been mentally crushed and died before I ever met him.

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