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zelda_queen September 17 2011, 18:49:39 UTC
Behold, Harry and Hermione's wedding is so fantastic, the dead rise for the occasion. -_-

You know, it's very hard for Neil to argue that this all isn't supposed to be sexual when the first thing Hermione asks her parents isn't "How have you been?" or "Have I made you proud?" but "So, you can see me running around naked?"

And no Neil, having Hermione's saint-like, dead parents extoll the virtues of nudism isn't going to endear it to us anymore.

"The scum took her virginity and left her pregnant."

Love the sexism there, or else Neil just doesn't know how people describe one-night stands like that. I could see Ginny saying "He lead her on" or "he took advantage of her naivety" or even just "He got her pregnant and abandoned her" (which would be sufficient to establish someone as a jerk, yes). Instead, him stealing her virginity (which sounds like something a villain from a 1950s movie would do for maximum evil) is treated as the worst thing. -_-

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szaleniec1000 September 17 2011, 19:26:00 UTC
The inexplicable obsession so many fanfic writers have with virginity is always going to remind me of Dark Secrets. "And what was worse was Ron had stolen her virginity, which she was saving for someone special, and he torn it from her so forcefully. What if he done it again?" Er, Jaiden, that can't happen.

It really is a poor fit with the generally sex-positive tone of most adult-rated fanfics.

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danel4d September 18 2011, 18:57:38 UTC
I'd say one of the things I still regard as entirely positive in the Psychic Serpent series is that it doesn't do this - HE at least transposes correctly that Harry and Hermione were each others' first lovers, but Psychic Serpent didn't insist that therefore they were destined to be together, or view it as some terrible tragedy that they'd made the eternal mistake of losing their precious gift to someone who wasn't their One True Love.

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szaleniec1000 September 18 2011, 19:12:33 UTC
Similarly Paradigm of Uncertainty, where both Harry and Hermione are shown to have had very active dating lives before winding up together. Including Ron, in Hermione's case. I can't elaborate on the role of his death in the story without going into spoilers, but I never felt it was a Die For Our Ship thing; if anything, it was a subversion of that trope with how fondly he's remembered by everyone.

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zelda_queen September 18 2011, 20:31:52 UTC
According to TV Tropes, the author of PoU said she regretted killing Ron, so it does sound like shipping didn't have to do with it.

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szaleniec1000 September 18 2011, 20:41:09 UTC
This is true. The circumstances of his death are revisited towards the end of STNE, and a big part of HWTF involves Harry and Hermione dealing with the repercussions as they prepare for their wedding. It's very much not a "get him out of the way LOL" situation.

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