The S6 Kalicia Breakfast Club Master Post

Sep 22, 2014 10:20

Hello beleaguered Kalicia fans!  Season 6 is upon us.  Whether for the purposes of hope, therapy, or mere persistance, Breakfast Club is here too!  Post here your episode/character thoughts, plot speculations, wish lists, laments, or what you had for dinner last night.  We're pretty flexible.


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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 18:03:10 UTC
Ha, I *wish* an A/K scene felt like possibility enough for me to be tricked that way! :) I was busy eyerolling that the one time Kalinda was sitting in on Cary's proceedings, Diane was there arguing his case rather than Alicia. What a coincidence! Structural barriers! Reality! All of that.

For real though -- I think the odds that A/K will ever be in the same frame again are decent. It would take an enormous amount of contrivance for them NOT to have scenes together once both at F/A, which we know already is possible, but it seems likely that at some point there will be some sort of "fine, here's your stupid scene, now stop calling us on the utter absurdity of 2 seasons of A/K nothingness."

What I think has smaller odds is that eventual scene being satisfying. Since they have delayed it for so long, that first scene together again would have to feel like a climax -- after all this time, surely there would have to be some sort of epic confrontation/acknowledgement/reunion/tension for it to feel RIGHT. But since A/K is indefinitely off the table as a major (or even minor) plot-point, it's more likely that the previous non-interaction will be rugswept , lest they actually have to follow through with the thread that there is unresolved stuff between the two. It feels like it shouldn't even be possible that there could be a little, tangential A/K scene at this point, but I fear that is exactly what they'll do.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues needle428 September 29 2014, 18:12:33 UTC
Negative Nelly.

I mean this is a completely and utterly valid point and totally what RK is gonna let happen.

But seriously. SAD.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 18:40:36 UTC
Ugh, I really want to be wrong! But when RK answers the direct question "do you think there will ever be more A/K scenes?" and he answers with a limp "Maybe, I think so," it doesn't give me a ton of confidence that it's foremost in their thoughts and plans for the show.

Then again, they kept everyone in the dark about Will's demise, so maybe something amazing is going on behind the scenes.

Wouldn't that be something.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues needle428 September 29 2014, 18:56:32 UTC
Ok, better.

Probably far less accurate, but I need to pretend like RK isn't the moron he's proving himself to be and that secretly, they are setting out to impress us.

Although by the looks of that promo, it ain't gonna be next week. K/C gate is back and I am by no means thrilled.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 19:00:03 UTC
It's so bad, I can't even keep my eyeballs on the screen when K/C are doing their thing. Is the secondhand embarrassment I feel an A/K shipper thing, or is it really that kinda-squicky?

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues lemonsoranges September 29 2014, 19:06:03 UTC
It's squicky to me after 5x22. The pairing never made any sense to me anyway, but that did it for me.

Also, I seriously missed that Kalinda/Cary half-second the first two times I watched the promo. My subconscious must be trying to erase it or something.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues needle428 September 29 2014, 19:16:37 UTC
Yeah, squicky to me too. [also - did we just make up a word?]

I'm not usually so blinded by my ships that I can't objectively look at other ships w/out being like "eww" But this one just doesn't fit to me. I'm great with their friendship. And I could even deal with their off screen one nighter (which I could at least maybe believe in all of Kalinda's flexibility). But anything of substance doesn't make a ton of sense for Kalinda in this context. And w/ Cary it just feels very...forced?

Kalinda/Lana, Kalinda/Sophia - those I find believable. And I imagine there could even be a male character (as yet created) that I could see Kalinda evolving with. But w/ Cary - I just don't see it.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 19:20:13 UTC
Do you feel like they are aiming for a K/C endgame? I feel like in the absence of a relationship with Alicia, they might feel like Cary is the only choice for demonstrating Kalinda-as-emotionally-vulnerable.

5x22 def took the squick to a new level, but even before then I felt like Kalinda was having sex with her bratty younger brother. D: D:

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 22:07:27 UTC
Oh, lord, I hope it's not endgame. But they don't have major concerns about Kalinda as emotionally vulnerable anymore. The interviews with the Kings after the Nick fiasco seemed like they'd concluded, "Oh, everybody wants Kalinda to stay mysterious, no one wants to understand her feelings!" where the real answer was no, we want her feelings to make SENSE. Sigh.

I don't mind K/C hooking up, I don't mind Kalinda feeling deep tenderness for him, I dont' mind him feeling much more strongly about her, I don't mind them continuing to have a thing. (I'm sort of ignoring 5x22 to feel all that, but I'm pretty much ignoring the first ten episodes of S4 also, just like the Kings are, so what the heck.) But ENDGAME? Nuh-uh. Kalinda doesn't HAVE an endgame. That's the point of Kalinda.

But they could be that stupid. Hope not, but it's possible.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues schwarmerei1 September 30 2014, 02:23:55 UTC
I don't mind K/C hooking up, I don't mind Kalinda feeling deep tenderness for him, I dont' mind him feeling much more strongly about her, I don't mind them continuing to have a thing. (I'm sort of ignoring 5x22 to feel all that, but I'm pretty much ignoring the first ten episodes of S4 also, just like the Kings are, so what the heck.) But ENDGAME? Nuh-uh. Kalinda doesn't HAVE an endgame. That's the point of Kalinda.

I also feel this way (although I would feel fine about an endgame for Kalinda with Alicia.) I don't find C/K gross -- when it's not 5x22 I mean. (I am taking the phone call in 6x01 as acknowledgement that Cary had something to apologise for.) And I wouldn't be surprised to see some growing closeness between them after his incarceration, I think that would be reasonable. (It will be interesting to see whether Lana's arrival on the scene has any impact on C/K.) But I can't for the life of me see Kalinda falling for Cary. Loving him yes, just not "in love" with him. Because I am a sap, I still long for Cary to realise her feelings won't ever be equal to his, ending the relationship, then telling Alicia that she's the only person Kalinda can love for reals. I USED TO THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee October 6 2014, 23:07:54 UTC
Did you say "Lana's arrival on the scene"?? Do we know for sure that that's happening? Because, AWESOME.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues schwarmerei1 October 7 2014, 00:04:52 UTC
I did indeed! She's definitely in 6x04 and 6x05 because those press releases are out. And I think they said "3 episode arc" so she's probably in 6x06 as well.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues lemonsoranges September 29 2014, 18:15:26 UTC
Yeah, I suspect it'll be a little, stupid "[30-whatever] episodes? What 30-whatever episodes?" kind of thing -- that they'll ignore that that ever happened. Which would certainly give the lie to Robert King's staunch assertion that their separation is, like, an Emotional Arc or whatever. Can't be much of an arc if there's no attempt to address or resolve it. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe they really will address it. But somehow I don't think so. (Now the question is how much longer it will take them to get to that nonevent meeting... "30-whatever" may be unduly hopeful on my part)

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues sweetjamielee September 29 2014, 18:58:05 UTC
If I weren't so convinced about JM's behind-the-scenes meddling, I would almost be holding out hope that the continued A/K desert is because they are waiting for the perfect moment for the eventual reunion -- when ample time and energy is available to give attention to do that plot right. I am just so sure that JM won't let things progress ever again past "A/K are civil," and JM's sourpuss is where my optimism goes to die. :(

But you are so right -- RK's lies are going to be even more transparent than usual should the rug-sweep come to pass! I don't understand how his nose isn't a couple feet long by now.

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues schwarmerei1 September 30 2014, 02:33:45 UTC
If I weren't so convinced about JM's behind-the-scenes meddling, I would almost be holding out hope that the continued A/K desert is because they are waiting for the perfect moment for the eventual reunion -- when ample time and energy is available to give attention to do that plot right. I am just so sure that JM won't let things progress ever again past "A/K are civil," and JM's sourpuss is where my optimism goes to die. :(

Look, I concede you're right that JM is unlikely to let anything that I want to see come to pass between Alicia and Kalinda. However, I guess I trust in Archie's ability to silently Kalicia the fuck out of anything they get...and JM giving in to the chemistry without meaning to! ;-)

I think the perfect time for a reconnection was in the aftermath of Will's death and I feel that moment has passed. But I think your point might be correct, the season's kick off is very full. We have Diane leaving, now we'll get her arriving at the new joint. Cary's obviously got a big arc at the start. And we have Alicia not running, but about to change her mind. Perhaps in the back half of the season (and we know now that the Kings intend to write the season as two halves) when those stories flag a revival of A/K will be thrown in to revive interest. And fandom would go crazy if it did happen.

For what it's worth, the Buzzfeed article does seem to have gained traction. There's some tweets from fans. People like Emily Nussbaum mentioned the A/K drought. Chris Harnick longed for an A/K hug in his latest article. And people who aren't me have also been bringing it up on Tumblr. So at least it has regained status as an "issue" publicly. That's something!

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Re: 6x02: Trust Issues mickaela82 September 30 2014, 16:06:06 UTC
LOL, I wasn't counting, but then...love those people on Tumblr, God bless them. When I saw 30, then 31, then 32 episodes and counting, I kinda started counted too.

And my cold little black heart is just cackling now that I see OTHER people noticing and counting, too. It's kinda funny and I'm thinking it will become more so now that people of more importance have taken notice. It will be interesting to keep seeing Robert trying to ignore the facts, or worse, coming up with some bullshit excuses.

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