Character Loyalty

[sweet_anise]

Sometimes I think I watch TV differently than most of the world, and I'm not sure my way is healthy.

I'd sort of assumed that my next LJ post would be about my new home state, new job, new apartment, new personal and fiscal responsibility... you know, SOMETHING about graduating, moving hundreds of miles away, and beginning the first chapter of my

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What is this silly word limit LJ it's only like 100 words more

[giallarhorn]

That wasn't nearly potentially alienating or self disparaging as you had made it seem. I was expecting a lot worse, ngl.

IDK though talking about adult life and what's going on that is such a revolutionary thought but methinks you should but that's just myself and I

I think that a lot of times, stories and media are developed to be about a specific person, even when that person does impact other people around themselves and they too develop, and sometimes it may end up like ASoIaF, rarely. But I think it tends to be more of a case that a lot of people tend to pick favorites early on, and cheer on Character X.

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG YOU WERE ALWAYS A ROSE FANI don't think that it is realistic for people should be expected to bond emotionally to every potentially awesome character that flits across the screen, particularly with Doctor Who, given the nature of show and companions. Being able to recognize their traits or the character as being awesome on an intellectual level is enough, I feel like. But I think it is normal for people to

Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[giallarhorn]

IMHO, I don't think that Moffat will ever really go down the route of Better Than Rose Role, since it seems to me that River was meant to fulfill that role, and that more or less dropped the ball

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[magic_7_words]

I support these two comments, for two reasons. 1) I was going to suggest you try thinking of Eleven as a different character who inherited the TARDIS and the memories. That way nobody can possibly step on Rose's toes, because they've never even met Nine or Ten. Aw, heck--Rose got two regenerations all to herself! (Ten traveled with Martha and Donna, but he pined after Rose the whole dang time, didn't he?) River can't touch that. And keep in mind, too, that the Doctor's various relationships over regenerations have as much to do with his own personality/how he expresses affection--more openly across the board, in Eleven's case--as how deep that affection goes. Ten would never have married a companion because he'd've been all like "you will die soon wah," whereas Eleven's more like, heck, why not

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[giallarhorn]

It's more or less a lot like of what Ten said to Wilfred- with the regeneration, a new man goes sauntering off. But it may be harder to bond to the new companions now, mostly because Moffat doesn't really do character or emotion well.

(Eleven's also technically been married to multiple people, if we're assuming he went through with Monroe, and there's the issue of Idris)

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[magic_7_words]

Oh, you're so right! I lied. Ten married Queen Elizabeth I.

There you go, sweet_anise: clearly the Doctor only marries people he's attracted to but doesn't actually know very well. Becoming a proper companion probably drops you smack into the "we're friends and it's a good thing we have going and I don't want to mess it up so we should just stay friends" category.

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[giallarhorn]

But wouldn't that make the whole Rose/Ten ship beached and completely out of the water?

Plus he married River (if you assume the timeline is in fact valid), who was a companion.

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[magic_7_words]

Okay, I worded things a bit confusingly. My points are thus:

1) I would define a "proper companion" as someone who's invited into the TARDIS for multiple consecutive adventures. The key words there would be "invited" and "consecutive." River falls more into the "sort of a companion but not really" box, along with Wilfred, Adam, Astrid, Canton, Harriet Jones, etc. We'll call it the "allies" box. River is a recurring ally, not a companion.

2) "We're friends and I don't want to mess that up" doesn't indicate a lack of romantic interest. It indicates caring deeply enough that the idea of a change--any change whatsoever--in the status of the relationship is frightening. The Doctor is a total commitment-phobe; he's afraid of getting too close, and that means pushing away anyone who threatens to do so. If he marries you, chances are he's not feeling that need to push you away.

Re: Part 2 of something that was probably too long and nonsensical and rambly, whoops

[sweet_anise]

I totally do try to think of Eleven as a different character. It makes sense, too-- heck, if I got an entirely new genetic makeup and then spent 200+ years wandering around history, I wouldn't expect to have the same level of attachment to the same people as I do now. Logically, nothing from the current narrative could possibly threaten what he had with Rose-- I mean, if a man falls in love and gets married at 25, is widowed at 30, and then remarries at 60, you wouldn't say that he didn't really love his first wife (and that would only be 30 years, and the same body!) Honestly, part of what bothers me about my DW-related thought processes is that I KNOW they're illogical... I just can't shake them!

Re: your second point... since when is Moffat remotely adverse to playing the same card over and over again?

Re: What is this silly word limit LJ it's only like 100 words more

[sweet_anise]

I still intend to do a catch up-on-life post! Maybe. Some day.

Wait, when have I ever denied/ given you cause to doubt that I was a Rose fan?

I'm definitely trying to do the "separate entity" thing. Sometimes it works better than others.

I'm not saying it's unreasonable that I tend to bond so strongly to one or two characters... it's just that sometimes I feel like I'm being unfair, and/or missing out on enjoying something great.

(In general, I feel a lot better now that I've watched 7x1 and thoroughly enjoyed Oswin. Yay for not being as stubborn and jealous as I thought!)

Re: What is this silly word limit LJ it's only like 100 words more

[giallarhorn]

Someday, somewhere over the rainbow in an alternate universe where there are in fact, no rainbows but flying blimps, you will make this post?

That was meant to be sarcastic, though it didn't seem to come through. Whoops.

I don't know if you should feel like you're missing out on something great. Like, just because 60 of 100 people are injecting morphine into themselves and having a great time, and 40 people aren't just because they don't want to/feel like/feel inclination to, probably means that they wouldn't enjoy if they did partake in it. Except they probably would, since morphine acts like that. But the example still stands. It's also a bit harder with Moffat's characters, I feel like, so there's that to take into account as well.

(JLC is truly charming :D)

Re: What is this silly word limit LJ it's only like 100 words more

[sweet_anise]

Alt!Me is super on top of things. She had that post up by the end of her first week of work.

Re: What is this silly word limit LJ it's only like 100 words more

[giallarhorn]

I'd bet that she's also blonde, and goes by the name of Margret.