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Nov 18, 2006 16:51

The experiment I conducted in my quarters was a complete waste of time and effort. I had never counted on the trustworthiness of my partner to be a variable, but I suppose it was foolish of me to believe otherwise ( Read more... )

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antisoleil November 19 2006, 06:21:21 UTC
Subjectivity does not lie in the matter of the heart, but rather, in the mind of the individual. If the individual chooses to believe the fragments of feelings and memories are their own then it is such, because on a certain level, the emotions, incomplete as they are, do belong to them. By refusing to admit having feelings does not deny you ownership of them, but rather, only means you refuse to acknowledge them as real.

A child's crying to being hit is not purely physical or emotional. He cries because it is the body's way of conveying that that particular act caused them physical pain, though the emotional stimulus of pain is also the cause of the child's tears. Take XIII. After his departure from us and the erasure of his memories, he was unaware of the fact he was a Nobody. He did not cooperate with VIII simply out of fear despite how much more logical it would have been for him to do so. If Nobodies were not exposed to the excess propaganda of our inability to feel, we would never be aware of it. One would not be able to tell us apart from anyone else.

There are those who believe that because we lack hearts, we do not exist. I am not in that boat obviously, for there is a difference between physically and emotionally existing. We do more than physically exist; we have thoughts, we have feelings, and we are able to expand on them.

}{ OOC :: omgwtf i have no idea what the hell they're talking about anymore, lmao. Dx!! }{

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superiorityx November 19 2006, 06:42:39 UTC
That statement completely refutes what you said earlier. Earlier you said that in the perceiving of the emotion, the emotion itself is born. Now you say that the emotions exists whether on admits to perceiving them or not. Which one is it?

If it is in the perceiving that emotions exist, does that not mean that if one does not perceive them, they do not exist? This is but a simple deception, VII. If I say I perceive the emotion, then yes, I am perceiving an emotion - however, biologically it is one that we cannot feel. The whole basis of your argument is completely moot - you are arguing for the continuation of simple deception and nothing more.

Whether it is purely physical or emotional is completely regardless. The fact remains that there is an emotional connection to the physical stimulus. If a Nobody were struck by what was once a loved one versus a stranger, it would pain them no more or no less - a human, on the other hand, would feel far greater pain if they were struck by a loved one. Why? There are two aspects to that strain of pain: emotional and physical. We are incapable of feeling the emotional: what you describe is merely, again, a deception. We remember what emotion was, and thus we reflect it upon our surroundings.

XIII was led to believe that his state of being was normalcy. He found nothing strange about his state of being because the world around him itself was not real, it was tailored specifically for him. He did not cooperate with VIII not out of fear - rather, he did take the most logical approach. When a stranger offers you an "escape", would you take that stranger's hand, VII? No, most certainly not, which is exactly the path XIII took - choosing to remain with the people he found to be familiar, rather than VIII. The world was tailored so that XIII would find nothing odd about his lack of emotion. If he were in a real situation, I assure you, he would have known within moments of speaking with a human.

In terms of a soul, we do not exist. In the barest corporeal sense, however, we do. Which is the only reason I am attempting to replace our stolen hearts - yet you seem quite content with the void that is Nothingness!

[[WTF WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT THIS STUFF ANYWAY. JUST GO MAKE UP AND... BAKE COOKIES TOGETHER. *KICKS* D:]]

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i_luv_sitarz November 19 2006, 08:21:35 UTC
Excuse me, Sir, but I think Saïx might have a point. I've got a little trouble following what you two are ranting about but, don't you think there's a chance that he might be right?

I don't want to be rude, but your answers won't always be correct.

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greyscalegarden November 19 2006, 08:28:42 UTC
As odd as this may sound, I cannot help but agree with you. While they are both making generally zero sense and are twisting each other's words, thus avoiding the main point of their conflict entirely, I agree with VII. Though, I must admit, Sir is making a few critical points as well.

Ahh, well~ Let us simply say they both fail at logic and call it a day. Mm, IX?

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superiorityx November 19 2006, 17:22:00 UTC

Nor does this have anything to do with you.

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greyscalegarden November 19 2006, 20:01:02 UTC
Oh, but this has more to do with me than you think. Of coarse, that is what this entire arguement is about, isn't it?

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superiorityx November 22 2006, 21:19:17 UTC

I will speak to you of this at the prescribed time. At the present, it would behoove you to keep to yourself, XI.

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superiorityx November 19 2006, 17:21:41 UTC

This has nothing to do with you, IX.

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antisoleil November 19 2006, 20:12:54 UTC
It would be wiser to hear what he has to say but if you chose to ignore him, that is your prerogative, Sir.

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superiorityx November 22 2006, 21:20:06 UTC

Indeed it is my prerogative, and I am exercising that right.

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