There was a recent discussion on talk.origins on "When does Life begin?". The discussion centers around the 'legal' and 'moral' implications of 'destroying' three Frozen Embryos
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NOOO. Seeds are sperm and eggs. damn y'all. Embryos have potential to be living things, but that is not always the case.
I'm all for destroying those things (abortion and stem cell research). I'm not placing a small value on life. I'm actually placing a greater value on it. Ie. For abortion, its important that a woman to have the choice over her body. I think until the fetus is able to survive on its own independently without the mother, it should be considered a parasite, considering all the nutrients it feeds off from the mother. Pregancy is very dangerous, and having an aborion (which risks are significantly less) will prevent any such dangers of pregnancy. Then there's medical abortions which are necessary for the mother's well being. I think the mother's life takes importance over some embryoes beacuse she already has an established life, and mind, whereas these embryoes are just a bunch of cells.
I say, if you are against abortion or embryo killing, you shouldn't masturbate or have casual sex without the intent of having a child. Talk about hypocritical. You're wasting 3 million **potential** children. I don't understand this logic. But oh well.
I'm all for euthanasia. Hindus have the prayopavesa, but thats more like socially approved suicide. I see nothing wrong with it.
Well, a sperm / egg is technically just 'half a cell'. Atleast a sperm doesn't "multiply" so its not 'life' (but then, so is a worker ant which is 'sterile').
You have raised a funny and valid point about masturbation/casual sex. yeah, that is then true by this view of 'its wrong to deny something its life'.
But then, there is a subtler problem: At what stage is 'abortion' allowed? You see, the baby, even after birth, is very dependant on the mother for its food (milk, care, etc.,.). So does the mother have the right to kill it post-birth too?
I say, the answer is here when you start addressing it using the 'pain caused' as the primary parameter.
I mean when the fetus is dependant on the mother for food, blood, warmth, etc., internally in her body.
"even after birth, is very dependant on the mother for its food (milk, care, etc.,.). "
Milk is not necessary. A father (or anyone else for that matter) can give it food and such, but the fetus not *feeding off of them*. Parents can walk away from a baby, but they cannot from a fetus. The fetus is either in the mother, or dead.
I'm all for destroying those things (abortion and stem cell research). I'm not placing a small value on life. I'm actually placing a greater value on it. Ie. For abortion, its important that a woman to have the choice over her body. I think until the fetus is able to survive on its own independently without the mother, it should be considered a parasite, considering all the nutrients it feeds off from the mother. Pregancy is very dangerous, and having an aborion (which risks are significantly less) will prevent any such dangers of pregnancy. Then there's medical abortions which are necessary for the mother's well being. I think the mother's life takes importance over some embryoes beacuse she already has an established life, and mind, whereas these embryoes are just a bunch of cells.
I say, if you are against abortion or embryo killing, you shouldn't masturbate or have casual sex without the intent of having a child. Talk about hypocritical. You're wasting 3 million **potential** children. I don't understand this logic. But oh well.
I'm all for euthanasia. Hindus have the prayopavesa, but thats more like socially approved suicide. I see nothing wrong with it.
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You have raised a funny and valid point about masturbation/casual sex. yeah, that is then true by this view of 'its wrong to deny something its life'.
But then, there is a subtler problem: At what stage is 'abortion' allowed? You see, the baby, even after birth, is very dependant on the mother for its food (milk, care, etc.,.). So does the mother have the right to kill it post-birth too?
I say, the answer is here when you start addressing it using the 'pain caused' as the primary parameter.
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"even after birth, is very dependant on the mother for its food (milk, care, etc.,.). "
Milk is not necessary. A father (or anyone else for that matter) can give it food and such, but the fetus not *feeding off of them*. Parents can walk away from a baby, but they cannot from a fetus. The fetus is either in the mother, or dead.
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