yea this was so crazy, i was just playing around with some of those metal things and then i waslike ankle...liek i wanted before..but you know self piercings dont work...lol well atl east not for me...but anyways....it was the wierdest thing ever! like i piercedthrough a layer of skin....then iwas able to manouver it any where iwanted to....like how far i wanted it to go or which way...the only other pain i had to go through is popping it back through the skin...