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I'm more sad about Panic than I thought I would be. They were my first bandom band though and Jon Walker was my gateway drug and I'm sad about what's happened. I hope they're still friends and if they're not I hope they can work back towards being friends in the future. Look it happened with Peter&Carl so it can happen with Panic okay.
I've seen doublefourtime twice this week and we've talked about it and yeah, I'm more sad than I first thought. I hope that Ryan&Jon are happy making whatever they want to make. I sort of think they will be, although I also sort of agree with a lot of comments that Ryan is good at reinvention and is perhaps just still trying to find what 'fits'. I saw a comment saying that Ryan "conveniently forgets" his past, with regards to his dad and stuff and... I don't think that's true at all. I don't see how it can be. And you can take that however you'd like.
Jon. I adore Jon Walker and I hope he's still friends with Brendon&Spencer, and I hope he's just going with Ryan because someone has to, and I hope he's not just a douche like so many people have been saying. I hope he's happy too with whatever they decide to do.
I also really selfishly hope that they play tiny venues over here so that we can meet Jon Walker. Because Jon Walker. I love him but I took down the JWalk themed birthday card Sam made me last year. I dunno. It speaks of happier times, so I can't look at it.
Brendon and Spencer... I dunno. I kind of feel like this is what will happen:
- They'll fulfil the contractual duties of the tours planned
- They'll record a 3rd album. I'm guessing their contract was a 3 album deal. It happened that way with the Libs. If you don't put out that 3rd record you owe the record company part of your advance. With the Libs Carl had snorted it and Peter had smoked it, so the record company put out that dire Best Of, didn't they. I'm guessing it's easier/cheaper for Panic to fulfil that obligation. And yes, of course they're friends with Wentz but Wentz doesn't own FBR, don't forget. In fact that's one of the things in bandom that really fucking pisses me off - FBR existed before Wentz was even out of high school. Decaydance is his vanity label and a subsiduary of FBR, and sadly these days most of the non-Decaydance artists have left the label because of its reputation as an emo label, but the point remains: Wentz does not own FBR and probably can't do anything about contractual obligations. I would imagine.
- They'll never properly tour the 3rd album
- They'll split up
- Brendon will go solo or find new bandmates. I certainly think he has the talent. Like if TAI split up I imagine Beckett would go solo. I think Brendon will too
- I think Spencer will go session drum or join a different band, maybe a young band that he can kind of mentor for at the same time. Drummers are in short supply, I can see it happening
- Sam thinks Spencer will go producing albums for Decaydance/similar. I like her theory of Spencer-as-Wentz's-protege, too
I have this sadness with thinking about what if TAI split, what will happen to Carden? Because I feel like the others wouldn't disappear, but Mike? I'm not sure. It's this that started me and Mango down the path of a ridiculously long fic that we still haven't finished. But with Panic, I feel like all of them will continue to make music and be visible to fans, you know? I'm not worried about them. I hope they get friendly again in the future, I really do. I certainly think the love is still there, or it can be again.
Cynically, I think Brendon&Spencer have been coached in PR incredibly well by Wentz this week. And he would know, tbh.
I'd just like to say that all the above is only my opinion. Your mileage may vary and maybe I have it all wrong about their record contract etc but I really don't feel like arguing with anyone because it's been a bad fucking week.
Sam came yesterday because I've been really down this past week - my mother and I aren't talking for lots of reasons I don't want to get into. She came over and we just chilled. Himself was working on some stuff up here in the attic so Sam and I lay on my couches and watched bad TV. It was great, I hardly ever just flick channels and find bad stuff to watch. I think we both dozed at one point too. Then we got pizza from Pizza Hut (Fuck Pizza Hut!) and watched Gross Pointe Blank. Then Himself and Sam watched the Grudge and I sat behind the laptop and ignored it, because I am a complete WUSS when it comes to scary films. It was lovely to see Sam and spend some quiet time with her and Himself.
I'm working on a Hello Kitty cross-stitch which is 7"x7" and it's really fun, but also really fucking boring filling in her entire white face :/ I'll post pictures when it's done.
I'm also making lace again and it's all Julia Indelicate's fault. More on that later, too!
I've seen doublefourtime twice this week and we've talked about it and yeah, I'm more sad than I first thought. I hope that Ryan&Jon are happy making whatever they want to make. I sort of think they will be, although I also sort of agree with a lot of comments that Ryan is good at reinvention and is perhaps just still trying to find what 'fits'. I saw a comment saying that Ryan "conveniently forgets" his past, with regards to his dad and stuff and... I don't think that's true at all. I don't see how it can be. And you can take that however you'd like.
Jon. I adore Jon Walker and I hope he's still friends with Brendon&Spencer, and I hope he's just going with Ryan because someone has to, and I hope he's not just a douche like so many people have been saying. I hope he's happy too with whatever they decide to do.
I also really selfishly hope that they play tiny venues over here so that we can meet Jon Walker. Because Jon Walker. I love him but I took down the JWalk themed birthday card Sam made me last year. I dunno. It speaks of happier times, so I can't look at it.
Brendon and Spencer... I dunno. I kind of feel like this is what will happen:
- They'll fulfil the contractual duties of the tours planned
- They'll record a 3rd album. I'm guessing their contract was a 3 album deal. It happened that way with the Libs. If you don't put out that 3rd record you owe the record company part of your advance. With the Libs Carl had snorted it and Peter had smoked it, so the record company put out that dire Best Of, didn't they. I'm guessing it's easier/cheaper for Panic to fulfil that obligation. And yes, of course they're friends with Wentz but Wentz doesn't own FBR, don't forget. In fact that's one of the things in bandom that really fucking pisses me off - FBR existed before Wentz was even out of high school. Decaydance is his vanity label and a subsiduary of FBR, and sadly these days most of the non-Decaydance artists have left the label because of its reputation as an emo label, but the point remains: Wentz does not own FBR and probably can't do anything about contractual obligations. I would imagine.
- They'll never properly tour the 3rd album
- They'll split up
- Brendon will go solo or find new bandmates. I certainly think he has the talent. Like if TAI split up I imagine Beckett would go solo. I think Brendon will too
- I think Spencer will go session drum or join a different band, maybe a young band that he can kind of mentor for at the same time. Drummers are in short supply, I can see it happening
- Sam thinks Spencer will go producing albums for Decaydance/similar. I like her theory of Spencer-as-Wentz's-protege, too
I have this sadness with thinking about what if TAI split, what will happen to Carden? Because I feel like the others wouldn't disappear, but Mike? I'm not sure. It's this that started me and Mango down the path of a ridiculously long fic that we still haven't finished. But with Panic, I feel like all of them will continue to make music and be visible to fans, you know? I'm not worried about them. I hope they get friendly again in the future, I really do. I certainly think the love is still there, or it can be again.
Cynically, I think Brendon&Spencer have been coached in PR incredibly well by Wentz this week. And he would know, tbh.
I'd just like to say that all the above is only my opinion. Your mileage may vary and maybe I have it all wrong about their record contract etc but I really don't feel like arguing with anyone because it's been a bad fucking week.
Sam came yesterday because I've been really down this past week - my mother and I aren't talking for lots of reasons I don't want to get into. She came over and we just chilled. Himself was working on some stuff up here in the attic so Sam and I lay on my couches and watched bad TV. It was great, I hardly ever just flick channels and find bad stuff to watch. I think we both dozed at one point too. Then we got pizza from Pizza Hut (Fuck Pizza Hut!) and watched Gross Pointe Blank. Then Himself and Sam watched the Grudge and I sat behind the laptop and ignored it, because I am a complete WUSS when it comes to scary films. It was lovely to see Sam and spend some quiet time with her and Himself.
I'm working on a Hello Kitty cross-stitch which is 7"x7" and it's really fun, but also really fucking boring filling in her entire white face :/ I'll post pictures when it's done.
I'm also making lace again and it's all Julia Indelicate's fault. More on that later, too!