in christiandebate you posted something interesting about the "original sin" the beliefs you have are similar to mine, you should go to www.mormon.org, we belive the the fall was not necessarily the "original sin". Adam and eve were given two commandments in the garden of eden. Do not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and multiply and replenish the earth. Basically they had to choose which commandment to keep, if they didnt eat the fruit, we wouldnt be here.
I guess so. You can't really sin if you don't know what sin is and if you have not yet learned what is right and wrong, so you're pretty safe until you reach the age of accountability
sin is inherent in all men, young and old, infantile and mature. A toddler doesn't need to learn how to lie, he already knows how. Just because he doesn't understand that sin is sin doesn't mean it's any less a sin. Children must be taught to be good and to obey their parents and respect them. If children were born perfect they wouldn't have to be taught this. just because you dont know bleach will kill you if you drink it doesn't mean it wont if you do drink it. Sin is sin, if you know it is or not.
Toddlers don't know how to lie. its definately something they learn. Until they reach a certain age children cannot be held accountable for anything they do that is wrong, therefore when they die they're going straight to heaven
I'm not a parent, I'm not planning on being one for a while, but I've been around enough little kids in my life to know that they dont need to learn how to lie to lie. They dont need to see someone doing before they can do it themselves. What age then isthe age of accountability? And since there is an age of accountability does that mean that you cannot discipline your child if he or she does something wrong before that age, or is it even considered wrong since they dont know right from wrong yet? Show me where in the bible where it says children are not accountable for their sin up to a certain age? I believe you are taking this age of accountability a bit too far. Yes there is an age of accountability. But this age of accountability only applies to the age where children can fully understand right from wrong. If a child is not held accountable for his or her actions before that age then they will never reach it. It is being held accountable that causes the age of accountability, how quickly they realize what they are doing
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the age is 8 years old. You can discipline children before then, but that is to help them to understand whats wrong and right. To teach them. They can do the wrong thing, but i wouldnt call it sinning
Tell me exactly where in the bible this age is defined. Tell me where in the bible it says anything about the age of accountablility. And tell me where in the bible it says anything about not being accountable for sin at any age. Here's a little something to consider: Adam and Eve were created perfect and sinless in the eyes of God, yet they didn't have to "learn" to sin. Why then do the offspring of the fallen Adam and the fallen Eve have to learn to sin and are born perfect? It doesn't make sense. The bible says that a bad tree will bear bad fruit and not good fruit. Thus it is impossible for Adam and Eve, who are bad trees due to sin and the fall, to have perfect children, good fruit, until they learn to sin. Children are born innocent yes, but they are sinful creatures just as their parents were, and dont have to learn to sin before they can sin. Why then would you have to teach a child what is right?
i don't know where in the bible it says that, i don't even know if its in the bible. I'm pretty new to religion so i don't have all the answers, i'm just guessing
It's okay to not have all the answers. What isn't okay is to form a belief and accept that belief because it sounds good to you. No one can blame you for wanting children to go to heaven should they die young. Any person who wouldn't want that is seriously messed up. I dont have all the answers either. But I know where I can find them. I haven't read all the bible yet, but from what I have read I haven't seen anything that supports your opinion. And I'm not trying to make you feel bad or dumb, but it's better to have no answers then to guess at some. Something as little as this doesn't really matter, but what if you guessed wrong at how someone is to get saved? Not only would you not be saved but anyone else you told wouldn't be saved either. And the bible says we will be held accountable for all those we lead astray. I'll have to look it up to find the exact verse. The majority of the "christian" populace guess when it comes to the word of God, and they guess wrong. Dont accept that, go beyond a mere guess. Always
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The reason i know about it is that its what our entire church believes. I didn't know where in the bible it said anything about it but i've done some research. Turns out that its not really specifically talked about in the bible but it is in the book of mormom and the doctrine and covenants which are two of the three books (other than the bible) that we consider scripture. I wont bother quoting them because most christians wont listen because its not in the bible. I did however find a scripture in the bible to support the fact that we're not born sinners just because of the fall. Ezekial 18:20 says "the soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him"
I dont want to get side tracked, so I'm only say something this one time then get back to the subject. There is only one word of God and only one bible. The last few versus of the bible say no man is to add and no man is to subtract from what is written. The book of mormon and the doctrine and covenants does just that. It adds to the bible. The reason you will not find anything about the age of accountability in the bible is because it isn't scriptural. And the scriputer used may sound as though it supports your point but it doesn't, it is a miss-use of the scripture. When using a scripture as proof it is best to know the context the scripture is said in. Ezekial 18:20 is one of many scriptures that discusses the results of a father who lives unrighteously and a son who lives righteously. This has nothing to do with a son who is just being born. Further more, if children are born perfect as you say and as your church believes, then some where is a perfect race. Since Adam and Eve had sinned then it would be understandable
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There is only one word of God and only one bible. I agree with this, you're implying that we are trying to replace the bible witht he book of mormon. This is not the case, the book of mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Its like the bible but written for the people in the ancient Americas. THe bible says something about "other sheep" and a book being written for them (i cant remember the exact reference) and these people are the other sheep. Anyway, i can see that you're not going to agree with me and i'm not going to agree with you, so why don't we just agree to disagree and leave it at that?
an arguement should never be ended like that. one thing, we're already agreeing to disagree, we're trying to persuade eachother to agree to agree. And to end like that is either saying you will never change your opinion, which is bad, or you have given up trying to change mine, which is also bad. And please dont put things in my arguements that I did not put there myself. I did not "imply" anything. Mormons use that phrase a lot when talking to christians because it makes them sound good and the christians sound bad. I never said anything about "replacing" the bible. I specifically said that the bible warns againts anyone who adds to the bible or takes away from it. The book of mormon and the other books listed add to the bible. By saying it's "another testament of Jesus Christ" is doing what the bible says not to do. Why would Jesus need to make another testament for someone else? Where in the bible does it say the bible is only good for certain people? Another point I would like to add: find a native american history
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the beliefs you have are similar to mine, you should go to www.mormon.org, we belive the the fall was not necessarily the "original sin". Adam and eve were given two commandments in the garden of eden. Do not partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and multiply and replenish the earth. Basically they had to choose which commandment to keep, if they didnt eat the fruit, we wouldnt be here.
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I did however find a scripture in the bible to support the fact that we're not born sinners just because of the fall.
Ezekial 18:20 says "the soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him"
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I agree with this, you're implying that we are trying to replace the bible witht he book of mormon. This is not the case, the book of mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Its like the bible but written for the people in the ancient Americas. THe bible says something about "other sheep" and a book being written for them (i cant remember the exact reference) and these people are the other sheep.
Anyway, i can see that you're not going to agree with me and i'm not going to agree with you, so why don't we just agree to disagree and leave it at that?
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