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I've been watching Torchwood since I first followed Jack there from Doctor Who, and I loved the first two series completely. It's only this past few months that I've begun to be interested in the online fandom. Like nearly everyone else, my favourite character is Ianto, followed by Jack (followed by Gwen). I am a Jack/Ianto shipper, but with

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I agree with everything and also don't get the death joke, at all. It made no sense. Also with the concrete nakedness, I get why they don't make a big deal or labour it, but surely Ianto could have hugged Jack and given him a coat. I even had non fannish friends perplexed by the scene. If in real life someone was unexpectedly naked, and you were there, as was their partner, it would be said partner's role to provide the cover. It would even be more natural for Rhys to give him the coat, as in default of a partner, a same gender person would dash to the rescue

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I think the couple conversations are a waste of screen time. Now the radio plays are canon, even if the books aren't. So leaving aside how loving and sweet J/I are in The Sin Eaters, The Dead Line establishes that Gwen and Rhys view Ianto and Jack as a couple, or as partners, and certainly establishes them as sleeping together a lot, and as very emotionally involved. Why then go backwards in CoE? It makes no sense, timewise it's like at KKBB, no further than that.

There's something weird about the assertions that the radio plays are canon, considering the characterizations aren't consistent with CoE, and The Dead Line is actually jossed by it. What was the point?

I have a theory that, unbeknownst to everyone, Adam overwrote Ianto's memory of Lisa the cyberwoman, and he now believes she died in a car accident. Might explain why Ianto has lost some of his grimness and seems more youthful and naive (as in The Sin Eaters, and CoE). Maybe?

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OK I don't get how the Dead Line if jossed by CoE? It isn't at all, it's just that the couple conversations don't fit with it, but it isn't exactly jossed. Anyhow, they are canon, as much as the telly is. I know that some don't view the books or websites as canon, but the radio plays are episodes in themselves, and aired on the BBC, so there isn't really any doubt with that.

I think Ianto is much happier, lighter and more secure during all of S2, which is why the CoE relationship angst is a bit odd.

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Ianto brings up the subject of his mortality with Jack in CoE Day Three, as if the first two day's events have just made it occur to him. To me, that contradicts The Dead Line. That Ianto never made that speech to comatose Jack, at least in my opinion.

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Sorry took a couple of days to reply, the Russians had blocked my LJ as well.

I think you are right about the contradiction, but I just meant I don't see it as jossing, just inconsistent canon, which has always plagued TW, but CoE is ridiculous, as MissWinterhill says, its like Jack and Ianto are AU versions of themselves. Most of it doesn't work with the pre existing canon.