(Fic) Experimentation

Jun 11, 2012 01:42

Two fics in the same month? Must be something in the water. And this is another Buffy/Willow fic (yes, the slash there is deliberate), this one set post-series.

This was partly inspired by the discussion on BuffyForums about Buffy and Willow's relationship over the course of the show. Now, I'm not claiming my ideas here are canon or anything like ( Read more... )

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stormwreath June 13 2012, 01:08:12 UTC
To play devil's advocate for a moment, Buffy also confirmed in 'Wolves at the Gate' that sex with Satsu was, at the very least, equal to sex with Spike in terms of being 'one of the best nights she's ever had'. ;)

True, she may have been exaggerating a little in the heat of the moment - but then again, she might have been in 'Wrecked' too.

Also, don't forget that in s9, Buffy's immediate reaction to discovering Willow in her bedroom the morning after a drunken party was to assume that they'd slept together. She didn't seem overly upset at the thought, either.

Personally: despite writing this fic, I've never doubted that Buffy is heterosexual, and prefers men. But she slept with Satsu twice, enjoyed it and didn't regret it afterwards - so she is at least bi-curious.

I doubt that it was something she'd never thought about before meeting Satsu - if only because she seemed to take the whole thing so much in her stride. Compare the way she freaked out in S4 when discovering Willow was gay. It seem clear that Buffy did a whole lot of thinking about sexuality issues between S4 and S8. The idea that she might at least have speculated privately about experimenting sexually with her best-friend-who's-a-lesbian, even if she never actually raised the subject with her, doesn't seem too unlikely to me. It's the sort of thing that happens in real life, too. :)

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boot_the_grime June 13 2012, 01:41:08 UTC
I don't think she meant just sex when she said "mine, too" to Satsu - I'm not sure how much nights with Spike could have been considered great if you disregard sex itself and consider the shame, self-loathing etc. afterwards, or their disastrous morning after conversation in Wrecked. And considering what her morning afters with Angel and Parker were like, her relationship with Riley is the only other candidate for "nice nights" as opposed to just "good sex" or "great sex".

True, she may have been exaggerating a little in the heat of the moment - but then again, she might have been in 'Wrecked' too.

She might have exaggerated a bit in Wolves at the Gate since she and Satsu were having a nice friendly conversation, and "me too" is a nice answer to give. She definitely wouldn't have exaggerated in Wrecked when she was trying to find ways to shut Spike up and cut him down to size, but wasn't able to deny when she claimed it was the best sex she's had.

Personally: despite writing this fic, I've never doubted that Buffy is heterosexual, and prefers men. But she slept with Satsu twice, enjoyed it and didn't regret it afterwards - so she is at least bi-curious.

Bi-curious, maybe - but apparently her curiosity hasn't continued after her fling with Satsu, since she hasn't shown any particular interest in sex or relationships with women since. The Kinsey scale 1 seems like the best definition - "Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual".

Also, don't forget that in s9, Buffy's immediate reaction to discovering Willow in her bedroom the morning after a drunken party was to assume that they'd slept together. She didn't seem overly upset at the thought, either.

Well, Buffy assumed she was so drunk that she could have slept with any guy at that party (9.06), including those that she described as not showering or infrequently showering, so that's not such strong evidence of her wanting to sleep with Willow.

I doubt that it was something she'd never thought about before meeting Satsu - if only because she seemed to take the whole thing so much in her stride. Compare the way she freaked out in S4 when discovering Willow was gay. It seem clear that Buffy did a whole lot of thinking about sexuality issues between S4 and S8.

I think that because of Willow, she became a lot more comfortable with the idea, but she probably only started really thinking about experimenting with same sex relationships during her time with the Slayer Army, between S7 and S8. There were no signs of Buffy thinking about it in seasons 4, 5, 6 or 7. She was probably thinking "Why not try this, find out if it works for me". I just get the impression that the final verdict was that it was very nice, but not exactly her thing after all.

The idea that she might at least have speculated privately about experimenting sexually with her best-friend-who's-a-lesbian, even if she never actually raised the subject with her, doesn't seem too unlikely to me. It's the sort of thing that happens in real life, too. :)

I very much doubt that Buffy would speculate about experimenting sexually with her best friend, exactly because she's her best friend. It's not something that's a good idea to do with friends, IMO. For the same reason she wouldn't have wanted to sleep with Xander before she started developing romantic feelings for him - and in 9.02 her subconsciousness was still telling her it would be a big mistake.

Also, I don't think Buffy is into "friendly sex". She's never so far had sex with someone who wasn't in love with her, or that she believed was falling/going to fall in love with her (i.e. Parker). She's definitely drawn by people showing love and passion towards her - one of the reasons that she was drawn to Satsu is that there was a spell confirming that Satsu had 'true love' for her.

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stormwreath June 13 2012, 02:52:38 UTC
Buffy assumed she was so drunk that she could have slept with any guy at that party (9.06), including those that she described as not showering or infrequently showering, so that's not such strong evidence of her wanting to sleep with Willow.

'Wanting' to sleep with Willow isn't what I'm saying; she'd not pining after her or anything. But that scene does prove one thing: if Buffy wakes up to see a just-showered Willow in her bedroom, her first thought is not an innocent explanation like "Oh, Willow must have crashed here after the party". Instead her mind goes straight to, "Oh my God, Willow and I must have had sex last night." The idea is clearly NOT 'something that would never cross her mind' - because it did.

It's only afterwards that Buffy starts to speculate on whether she might have slept with someone else instead, and to have nightmares that it could have been just about anybody since she doesn't remember.

There were no signs of Buffy thinking about it in seasons 4, 5, 6 or 7.

Well, what sort of signs would you expect to see? If it was something Buffy thought about, I imagine she'd do so very privately and not talk about it to anyone. :) Also, remember the concept of this fic of mine is that Buffy had speculated about experimentation earlier but decided, for various reasons, NOT to do anything about it - at least until she met Satsu.

I very much doubt that Buffy would speculate about experimenting sexually with her best friend, exactly because she's her best friend.

People vary. It could be that Buffy would be interested in experimentation with Willow exactly because she's her best friend, and so she trusts her and is completely at ease with her.

Like I said, it happens in real life. Trust me. ;)

I don't think Buffy is into "friendly sex"

In the early seasons, probably not - she had a highly romanticised teenager's view of love, sex and relationships back then. She's older now. Sleeping with Spike in S6 certainly wasn't 'friendly' sex, but Buffy never saw it as relationship sex either. Sleeping with Satsu absolutely was friendly sex from Buffy's perspective - in fact the reason she broke off their relationship was because Satsu couldn't see it that way.

I'd agree that Buffy isn't into casual sex as such - she'd want there to be an emotional bond with her partner - but post-S5 she's definitely willing to go to bed with people she's not "in love" with.

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boot_the_grime June 13 2012, 10:30:48 UTC
Well, what sort of signs would you expect to see? If it was something Buffy thought about, I imagine she'd do so very privately and not talk about it to anyone. :)

Heh, well in the same way we could speculate all sorts of things that people might be thinking - but there's no textual support for it. I'm not sure when exactly she would have been thinking about it, anyway - in S4 she was with Riley, post-Riley she was first thinking of dating Ben/finding another boyfriend then deciding she better be single, in season 6 she was preoccupied with Spike and other kind of sexual exploration for that to be credible, and in S7... She didn't seem to be in the mood to think all that much about relationships or sex.

I'd agree that Buffy isn't into casual sex as such - she'd want there to be an emotional bond with her partner - but post-S5 she's definitely willing to go to bed with people she's not "in love" with.

But it's not so clear if she'd be willing to go to bed with people who are definitely and without doubt not in love with her. Whether fans see it as selfish or not, uur Buffy seems to be drawn to people showing love and passion to her. What kickstarted her relationship with Satsu in the first place was the info that Satsu was the one who gave her the kiss of true love.

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