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So I'm going to get to the comments to my last two entry as soon as I can (I appreciate them all, and am super excited to go through them again!). But there's something I noticed that Ruby said and I think this whole debate about Sam kind of hinges on it.

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We can't forget that Dean knows exactly what it's like to be damned and he believes wholeheartedly that it would be better to die human than live damned. The point that Dean says that Sam is a Monster is right after Sam tells Dean that he knows exactly what he's doing, that it's a logical choice and basically that he's willing to sacrifice his humanity for his revenge.

But Sam never was completely human. It's all on a sliding scale and either way, Sam is damned. They're not letting anything part demon into heaven, no matter what, not if Castiel wouldn't even shake his hand after he'd stopped what he was doing.

Which come to think of it, makes the Halloween episode very interesting. He wasn't on the blood then; I think we know he was telling the truth there because three episodes later, Ruby's chastising him and telling him he knows what he needs to do to beef up his powers. And he'd told Dean he'd stop three episodes prior and at that point, he probably didn't have any of Ruby's blood on him. But he was still able to pull Samhain.

I wonder. Maybe I'm crazy, but I wonder if there aren't two agents working in Sam. Azazel's blood and Ruby's blood. Anna's eyes turned yellow right before she got her grace back completely; the little girl's eyes turned yellow as she transferred Castiel back to Jimmy. I'm trying to think why Sam's powers would work so effectively against Lilith in the season three finale if he didn't have Ruby's blood in him and he wasn't even trying but can't do anything to her now. Ruby's not letting him drink while on her blood, but when he did drink (episode 6) his eyes flashed yellow. Alcohol's a poison but it's also a purifier - it burns.

What if Ruby's not enhancing Sam's natural gift but replacing it somehow? Blotting out the abilities given to him by Azazel and instead giving him abilities that Lilith is immune to. Or something. I dunno. Do lights flicker when a demon approaches? I know they've made a big deal of it with angels and sometimes with very powerful ghosts, but outside of yellow eyes and has it ever happened with demons?

Outside of that, I dunno, I still don't think it was a very good time for Dean to abandon him. For all he knows, by the time he gets help, Sam's dead.

I wonder whether Dean kills Bobby next episode.

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not if Castiel wouldn't even shake his hand after he'd stopped what he was doing.

That was amiguous at best though... it could have easily been read that Castiel had simply never encountered a human that tried to shake his hand before and was a bit slow on the uptake. :P He's not a great socializer.

'm trying to think why Sam's powers would work so effectively against Lilith in the season three finale if he didn't have Ruby's blood in him and he wasn't even trying but can't do anything to her now.

But Sam didn't do anything to Lilith in season 3 except try to stab her with the knife... we just found out that her powers don't work on him, which has been consistent this season. It doesn't seem to apply to any demon except Lilith though, which is interesting.

I wonder whether Dean kills Bobby next episode.

Why on earth would Dean kill Bobby? Unless I missed some massive hint in the episode they do seem to be of an understanding, even if they may not agree completely. I can't see what him killing Bobby would accomplish.

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There are some clips up for the next ep and Dean and Bobby don't seem to be on the same page so much.

And Lilith's powers were working on Sam, she had him pinned to the wall while Dean was being ripped apart. It was only after she attacked him that her powers suddenly didn't work, so it was something he did. And I'm not sure what.

And I wonder about it not applying to any other demon. Because Samhain threw the same thing at him that Lilith did, ostensibly because he's just ,that old and would have that kind of power. And Sam just kept walking and after that, Samhain didn't use any more power on him, he just attacked him physically, which I found strange. Episdoe 7 is also three episodes after he's stopped drinking Ruby's blood and three episodes before she again comments on the fact that he's not drinking her blood.

The thing is, Sam can use his powers without Ruby's blood. I say that because he could kind of pull the demon in the devil's trap, he just couldn't get it all the way out. At that point, he was still drinking and was squeamish about fucking Ruby. I can't imagine that he'd drink her blood before he'd fuck her and, anyway, the alcohol would screw with it. So I feel like there are two forces at work here, Azazel and Ruby, and whatever Ruby's doing, it's fucking with what Azazel was doing because now Sam can't get his powers to work at all without her blood and Anna says he's changed. Which doesn't bode well for him.

And I don't think Castiel is that dense. You don't have to be on earth long to see that and he watched Jimmy for a while. Really, I think it was the demon in Sam. Or fallen angel. or whatever.

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There are some clips up for the next ep and Dean and Bobby don't seem to be on the same page so much.

Damn. I knew I shouldn't have engaged in speculation. I always end up getting spoiled :(