Yes, I agree with the way that you've put it. Dean pretty much created his entire world when he was younger, and though Sam certainly pushed the boundaries, I think he counts on there being boundaries to push. I think the worst moment actually was when Sam lied to Dean's face in Death Takes a Holiday and Dean just didn't care. Because his Sam is gone, like he said, and the Sam he knows is a stranger.
Which, yeah, the whole, "I don't know you, you don't know me' would definitely be a really good topic to meta on 'cause it's been so prevalent this season. I think you're right about Sam, that Dean's going to leave and he's going to be shocked. Originally I thought Ruby would leave him and he'd come running to Dean but I guess they're going all the way with that, accept no substitutes.
Dean's personal growth has had its roots in defining himself outside of where he stands with John and Sam
Yeah, so true. And that's why I was kind of suspicious of Zachariah even though it was nice to hear him give Dean a pep talk because he was still telling Dean who Dean was. Which Dean may kind of need right now in terms of a push but - all that stuff about becoming who he was meant to be made it sound like Zachariah has a plan for him regardless of what Dean wants.
though Sam certainly pushed the boundaries, I think he counts on there being boundaries to push
I think that's exactly it. Sam can push the boundaries because Dean's always been there to create them for him. When Dean died, those boundaries were removed; no wonder Sam's spiraling out of control now!
Originally I thought Ruby would leave him and he'd come running to Dean but I guess they're going all the way with that, accept no substitutes.
I don't see Ruby leaving Sam (though I hope at some point Sam leaves Ruby). I think they've hinted at Dean leaving throughout the season and I hope they do go there at some point, if only to have the brilliant reunion later on. If I thought for a minute that any separation would be permanent, I'd be upset and worried, but as is, I'm looking forward to a huge blow out fight and a reconciliation later.
Dean may kind of need right now in terms of a push but - all that stuff about becoming who he was meant to be made it sound like Zachariah has a plan for him regardless of what Dean wants
I don't trust Zachariah at all. Everything he said seems incredibly suspect to me, to the point where I'm fairly sure he's a red herring. He definitely doesn't have Dean's best interests at heart, regardless of whether he's actually working for the side of what's light and holy. And even if he is, he's already outright stated that he's acting to manipulate Dean into doing what he, Zachariah, wants. All his ducks in a row, nothing!
Yes, I agree with the way that you've put it. Dean pretty much created his entire world when he was younger, and though Sam certainly pushed the boundaries, I think he counts on there being boundaries to push. I think the worst moment actually was when Sam lied to Dean's face in Death Takes a Holiday and Dean just didn't care. Because his Sam is gone, like he said, and the Sam he knows is a stranger.
Which, yeah, the whole, "I don't know you, you don't know me' would definitely be a really good topic to meta on 'cause it's been so prevalent this season. I think you're right about Sam, that Dean's going to leave and he's going to be shocked. Originally I thought Ruby would leave him and he'd come running to Dean but I guess they're going all the way with that, accept no substitutes.
Dean's personal growth has had its roots in defining himself outside of where he stands with John and Sam
Yeah, so true. And that's why I was kind of suspicious of Zachariah even though it was nice to hear him give Dean a pep talk because he was still telling Dean who Dean was. Which Dean may kind of need right now in terms of a push but - all that stuff about becoming who he was meant to be made it sound like Zachariah has a plan for him regardless of what Dean wants.
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I think that's exactly it. Sam can push the boundaries because Dean's always been there to create them for him. When Dean died, those boundaries were removed; no wonder Sam's spiraling out of control now!
Originally I thought Ruby would leave him and he'd come running to Dean but I guess they're going all the way with that, accept no substitutes.
I don't see Ruby leaving Sam (though I hope at some point Sam leaves Ruby). I think they've hinted at Dean leaving throughout the season and I hope they do go there at some point, if only to have the brilliant reunion later on. If I thought for a minute that any separation would be permanent, I'd be upset and worried, but as is, I'm looking forward to a huge blow out fight and a reconciliation later.
Dean may kind of need right now in terms of a push but - all that stuff about becoming who he was meant to be made it sound like Zachariah has a plan for him regardless of what Dean wants
I don't trust Zachariah at all. Everything he said seems incredibly suspect to me, to the point where I'm fairly sure he's a red herring. He definitely doesn't have Dean's best interests at heart, regardless of whether he's actually working for the side of what's light and holy. And even if he is, he's already outright stated that he's acting to manipulate Dean into doing what he, Zachariah, wants. All his ducks in a row, nothing!
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