Please may I claim....

May 26, 2009 12:09

Characters:

1.) Jacen Solo
2.) Jori Lekauf

Books:

3.) Traitor by Matthew Stover

Quote:

4.) "...he is the greatest of all the Jedi. Jacen Solo is the living Jedi dream. Even without the Force, he is more dangerous than you can possibly imagine." from Traitor spoken by Vergere to Nom Anor.

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(Edited due to copy & paste of same quote twice) luthienberen May 28 2009, 16:50:14 UTC
The major problem with your accusation that 'Stover did that to him', is that he was working from the scripts for the movie (obviously things are different in the film as scripts are fluid and no writer can keep 100% to the finished article).

Even more, is that Geroge Lucas worked closely with Matthew Stover on the novel, so in the end it had his seal of approval.

Another issue is that in a film, we are not privy to a character's thoughts - that is where books can have an advantage.

Why does Stover need to tell us that Kenobi already saw Palpatine's shuttle and that's why he escaped leaving Anakin to die? There was no Palpatine. We saw him landing long after Obi-Wan departing. There is no point to justify him, lying. Maybe it was more like revenge for younglings?

This is due to a change between script at time of Stover's writing and the final what was shot in the film. Where there are differences in the book and film I can't blame Stover becuase of the fluid nature of scripts and Stover having to write with what at the time were the latest availble.

About Padmé - the talk in the deleted scene about petition and Jedi whom she can trust. Lucas clearly tells it's Anakin. Stover tells she thinks of Obi-Wan.

There is never any doubt in the book that Padme loves Anakin and trusts him. However, she also knows that unlike herself Anakin has no particular love for democracy (we saw this in the film AOTC) and both in the film ROTS and novel Anakin displays his loyalty to Palptine. In this, when wishing to tell Anakin about the petition Padme is naturally anxious - and sometimes even when we love someone more than ourselves we can be wary of telling them all. She doesn't like admitting that Obi-wan is someone she can trust, because she loves Anakin and it hurts her deeply.

And in the end how Stover shows that Padmé, Obi-Wan thinks they are blessed to know Anakin, but he's not showing to us anything how they would try to help him. Just my point.

I'm sorry but I don't see where you get this becuase while Obi-wan gives up on Anakin, Padme doesn't. She is the one who insists there is good in him - no-one else. And both in novel and film the knoweldge that Anakin slaugthered younglings breaks her heart.

And no, I don't really like opinions that would be deadly different from mine. Like Obidala fans. I'm not tolerant with anything that bashing Anakin Skywalker.

I am not bashing Anakin Skywalker - as my previous comments state, nor do I support a view of Obidala in my replies. However, I do argue that Matthew Stover, while showing Obi-wan in a good light, doesn't treat Anakin-Vader as a monster. When Anakin visits Padme it is clear he still loves and adores her. And in the end, Anakin's ... Vader's horror at what he has done shows us that Matthew Stover believes that there is still Anakin Skywalker left within Vader. And even more so: 'Love is more than a candle. Love can ignite the stars.' Here MStover shows us the hope through which Vader, Anakin Skywalker, will be saved.

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Re: (Edited due to copy & paste of same quote twice) sith_romantic May 28 2009, 17:36:14 UTC
Alright, I've understood. Let's close this discussion, I have no wish to argue. I was thinking quite like you when I first read the book. And I didn't meant you as obidala fan, I'm just telling, that disagreement in people's opinions on the same things is what I hate the most in this fandom and I don't see anything good in it as you do.

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Re: (Edited due to copy & paste of same quote twice) luthienberen May 28 2009, 18:10:18 UTC
*Hugs* I didn't want to hurt you dear, and I do not like it when fans being polar opposites leads to anger amidst fans (which is why I usually avoid heated topics).

Some debate is good, but I do agree that we have run the course of this discussion and will just leave it. Especially since we both are Anakin and Anakin/Padme lovers!

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