Please may I claim....
Characters:
1.) Jacen Solo
2.) Jori Lekauf
Books:
3.) Traitor by Matthew Stover
Quote:
4.) "...he is the greatest of all the Jedi. Jacen Solo is the living Jedi dream. Even without the Force, he is more dangerous than you can possibly imagine." from Traitor spoken by Vergere to Nom Anor.
1.) Jacen Solo
2.) Jori Lekauf
Books:
3.) Traitor by Matthew Stover
Quote:
4.) "...he is the greatest of all the Jedi. Jacen Solo is the living Jedi dream. Even without the Force, he is more dangerous than you can possibly imagine." from Traitor spoken by Vergere to Nom Anor.
What I was going to say... ah, I was talking about the description of his missions on Coruscant and Mustafar and in the main part of all sarcastic replies he's talking in the book and that none of them exist in the movie. Maybe Stover wanted to connect the story more with Original Trilogy where Vader often talks the things like 'apologies accepted, Captain Needa' etc., but I don't think it should appear in ROTS. In the movie we see that how hard and
disgusting his own actions are for him. He's doing it only for Padmé, immolating his own life and soul for this. Death of the younglings and Separatists leaders are an awful price that he must pay for saving her and ending the war. He doesn't say a word during this and also not allowing even R2 to watch on all this. We see his tears, also while he's eliminating Separatists, and after that. This moment, strong and bitter, when he stares on Mustafar skies and cries, was my starting point to watch Star Wars, after I saw it in advertisement. We don't have it in the book at all. Tell me, if it's wrong, I've read it quite long ago. In stead of it, we have his smiling, talking cruel phrases and nearly enjoying the murders. Why Stover did that to him? For Darth Vader these replies was one more little help to just dealing with this life, even if it can't be really called a 'sense of humour'. Also, in his talk with Padmé on Mustafar, Stover shows that he's playing? What was that "He spent a moment reassembling his Anakin Skywalker face: he let Anakin Skywalker's love flow through him, let Anakin Skywalker's glad smile come to his lips, let Anakin Skywalker's youthful energy bring a joyous bounce to his step as he trotted to the entrance over the mess of corpses and severed body parts. He'd meet her outside, and he'd keep her outside. He had a feeling she wouldn't approve of the way he had ... redecorated . . . the control center. And after all, he thought with a mental shrug, there's no arguing taste..."
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I always saw him in this talk like a man on a nervous breakdown, who is still trying his best to explain to the love of his life, why he did all this and can't find the right words.
Then. Why does Stover need to tell us that Kenobi already saw Palpatine's shuttle and that's why he escaped leaving Anakin to die? There was no Palpatine. We saw him landing long after Obi-Wan departing. There is no point to justify him, lying. Maybe it was more like revenge for younglings?
About Padmé - the talk in the deleted scene about petition and Jedi whom she can trust. Lucas clearly tells it's Anakin. Stover tells she thinks of Obi-Wan.
And in the end how Stover shows that Padmé, Obi-Wan thinks they are blessed to know Anakin, but he's not showing to us anything how they would try to help him. Just my point.
And no, I don't really like opinions that would be deadly different from mine. Like Obidala fans. I'm not tolerant with anything that bashing Anakin Skywalker.
*hugs* Sorry for ranting. :P
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Even more, is that Geroge Lucas worked closely with Matthew Stover on the novel, so in the end it had his seal of approval.
Another issue is that in a film, we are not privy to a character's thoughts - that is where books can have an advantage.
Why does Stover need to tell us that Kenobi already saw Palpatine's shuttle and that's why he escaped leaving Anakin to die? There was no Palpatine. We saw him landing long after Obi-Wan departing. There is no point to justify him, lying. Maybe it was more like revenge for younglings?
This is due to a change between script at time of Stover's writing and the final what was shot in the film. Where there are differences in the book and film I can't blame Stover becuase of the fluid nature of scripts and Stover having to write with what at the time were the latest availble.
About Padmé - the talk in the deleted scene about petition and Jedi whom she can trust. Lucas clearly tells it's Anakin. Stover tells she thinks of Obi-Wan.
There is never any doubt in the book that Padme loves Anakin and trusts him. However, she also knows that unlike herself Anakin has no particular love for democracy (we saw this in the film AOTC) and both in the film ROTS and novel Anakin displays his loyalty to Palptine. In this, when wishing to tell Anakin about the petition Padme is naturally anxious - and sometimes even when we love someone more than ourselves we can be wary of telling them all. She doesn't like admitting that Obi-wan is someone she can trust, because she loves Anakin and it hurts her deeply.
And in the end how Stover shows that Padmé, Obi-Wan thinks they are blessed to know Anakin, but he's not showing to us anything how they would try to help him. Just my point.
I'm sorry but I don't see where you get this becuase while Obi-wan gives up on Anakin, Padme doesn't. She is the one who insists there is good in him - no-one else. And both in novel and film the knoweldge that Anakin slaugthered younglings breaks her heart.
And no, I don't really like opinions that would be deadly different from mine. Like Obidala fans. I'm not tolerant with anything that bashing Anakin Skywalker.
I am not bashing Anakin Skywalker - as my previous comments state, nor do I support a view of Obidala in my replies. However, I do argue that Matthew Stover, while showing Obi-wan in a good light, doesn't treat Anakin-Vader as a monster. When Anakin visits Padme it is clear he still loves and adores her. And in the end, Anakin's ... Vader's horror at what he has done shows us that Matthew Stover believes that there is still Anakin Skywalker left within Vader. And even more so: 'Love is more than a candle. Love can ignite the stars.' Here MStover shows us the hope through which Vader, Anakin Skywalker, will be saved.
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Some debate is good, but I do agree that we have run the course of this discussion and will just leave it. Especially since we both are Anakin and Anakin/Padme lovers!
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Vader is a bit cold in the book, he is a Sith. We see this coldness, lack of empathy with other viewpoints when he says to Obi-wan (film) you are either with me or against me (paraphrased). Stover had to try and connect the cold Vader with ROTS Vader. He is sowing the seeds for the future.
I am not bashing Anakin, he is my favourite Prequel character, yet I don't think he is blamesless, for in the end he murdered children and as much as I feel great sympathy for Anakin and believe he was driven to the brink and beyond, he is responsible for his actions. He chose to slaugther younglings and for that he must answer - and he did, through the terrible loss of his wife and years alone.
He redeemed himself due to love, but to be redeemed he first had to suffer for his actions and truly repent, which he did.
Anakin is a man I admire, respect, feel grief for, feel betrayal on his behalf but also a man who I lament the choices he made and feel horror at the killings he committed - for love.
He is a complex character, not perfect but fasinating becuase of it.
And Anakin/Padme is THE love story of the Prequels.
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However, I think as Vader, even while he did evil he also had that spark of goodness. This is shown in how his men geniunely loved and amired him, how he still cared for them.
This is the tragic thing about the interruption by Obi-wan, the what if? Would Vader's/Anakin's actions be different? Maybe, Vader would still be a Sith but not so brutal. It is hard to know.
Anakin suffered and paid for his choices and of course I would have wished them to be less his years of suffering, but unfortunately this was not so. The only person who believed he had good in him had died, and his son had yet to be old enough to believe in this too.
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I was reading a fanfic with this "what if" - not until the end though, because Obi-Wan appeared there anyway and I didn't want to kill the great impression of this alternative story. Padmé turned him back to Light. On Mustafar. And they escaped together. That's all.
And I don't support that it was the only choice for Padmé to die. I know all the arguments why it happened, but I can't accept it. This was the last thing that broke him completely.
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This. I agree with this 100%. It left him shattered. :(
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