Re-publishing long S&H stories as original novels?

Mar 14, 2012 16:00

You may have heard about a certain Twilight-fanfic-turned-novel called 50 Shades of Grey and all the brouhaha about it. If you haven't, the non-tl;dr version of the situation is that a fanfic writer in the Twilight fandom posted a many-chaptered AU story featuring Edward/Bella called Masters of the Universe, but then pulled it, changed the names of ( Read more... )

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kimberlyfdr March 14 2012, 14:23:13 UTC
Since I follow a lot of people in the publishing industry (writers, agents, etc) I saw this debate emerging over the past few weeks and in the back of my mind I kept thinking "yeah, but we knew about this first in fandom!"

I'm of two minds about this. Most all the re-purposed fanfic-turned-novel that I've seen are AUs, either fandom characters or RPS/RPF. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. At first level, you have to look at what the author created. AUs aren't relying on canon in many instances, so all you're left with is a character who physically resembles someone we know or has some kind of mannerism that we associate with someone well-known. Many writers base their characters' physical descriptions on actors or models. Ann Rice did it for Interview with a Vampire (Rutger Hauer) and she hasn't had any trouble. There's a couple of novels that have obvious call-outs to fandom characters in them (two detectives who drive a red car, two brothers on a road trip across the country in an Impala, etc) There's a famous Star Trek novel that crosses with Here Come the Brides that not only have those characters in it, but a host of other fandom characters from the time period just popping up in the journey.

The real question is "can the story stand alone, apart from canon?" What resemblances are there really? Does the reader have to know certain canon facts to get the story? 50 Shades of Grey, though I'm not debating the quality of the work, doesn't rely as much on canon as it does physical description. The characters were taken completely out of their element and presented based on resemblances. Now, from a fandom POV, does it do a disservice to those who were essentially the first-readers and might have pointed out strengths and weaknesses of the piece? Perhaps. Does it make them sad when their favorite fanfic was taken off the net to be published? Of course. I have a particular J2 fic that I read every few months which I adore, but it was republished as an original novel. I've read both, I can't NOT see the characters as J2, so I always go back to the fanfic version. Would a reader who has never read the fanfic make that connection? Probably not. They'd probably just think the descriptions sounded like the actors they've seen, which is a nice tip of the hat rather than a rip-off of their real lives since it's an AU.

So, there's no clear-cut answer. Readers will either buy the re-purposed fiction or they won't. It will be interesting to see what the sales numbers on 50 Shades of Grey are, since the initial sales (I think) were bolstered by fandom rather than mainstream readership. Will the series earn out its 7-figure advance? For the author's sake, I hope so.

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 15:17:14 UTC
Fandom: We Are Everywhere! *grin*

You have raised good points and food for thought for me. I don't see anything wrong with basing a character's physical appearance on a real person, though, in prose form. You can copyright fictional characters but I don't think you can copyright a person's physical appearance in words, celebrity or not. I mean, how many ways can you describe a curly-haired, blue-eyed man with a big grin? :P (In art/comics/graphic novels, it's another story altogether.)

Now I wonder ... does what happened with 50 Shades of Grey mean that fanfic writers everywhere can now openly do the same with their own fanfics?

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kimberlyfdr March 14 2012, 15:43:02 UTC
What happened with 50 Shades of Grey isn't typical. It made news because it was an anomaly. She published with a small press, the word of mouth of fandom made it hugely popular on sites where the publishing industry pays attention, and now she's getting a news-worthy publishing deal with a larger house because of it. And if she doesn't earn out her advance (which I don't think will be easy) her subsequent publishing career is going to be damaged. Just because one author beats the system doesn't mean it will open the door for others to do the same. It's a business, but one that can't necessarily build on the back of single successes.

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 15:48:07 UTC
You mentioned that you follow lots of people in the industry. Just curious, would her book have been published by any of the big presses? I'd been told that big-name publishers do not accept any work that has already been posted on the internet. Is that true?

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kimberlyfdr March 14 2012, 16:00:42 UTC
If she had taken this off-line and tried to pitch it to agents outright she never would have gotten it published since she negated first rights by placing it online. She went around the system (which, hey, smart of her) by working within the requirements of the small press. Some don't define first rights negated as long as you remove the work from the web prior to publishing with them. It's a tricky loophole, but one she utilized. And through the power of word-of-mouth she got readers to make the larger publishing industry to take notice of her small press books and be willing to buy reprint/series rights. Like I said, it's a business. If the larger market can be tapped, then any means necessary are often used.

Even now, a number of agents who I follow have been saddened to see how much publicity this series is getting because the quality of writing isn't as polished as the industry standard. Through proper channels, the works would have gotten at least some polish from agents before pitching, then gone through editorial rounds at the publishing house prior to print. Because the works are so popular in their current state, I'm not sure how much polish can actually be applied at this late date. And if they are published as-is, what does that mean for the publisher reputation of putting out work at this level versus what they expect from their other authors?

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 16:15:07 UTC
The sample chapter I read from the book made me want to headdesk. I don't blame those agents for being saddened at all.

And if they are published as-is, what does that mean for the publisher reputation of putting out work at this level versus what they expect from their other authors?

Good question. I gotta go look up the publishers who'll be reprinting the book and check out their range. I'd be interested to know what the other authors of those publishers think about the book, too.

As for editing the book at this point, I think they won't bother. The Twilight fanfic is still available on the internet for download, apparently, so even if they do edit the hell out of the book, there's always the unedited Twilight-fanfic version around, and some blogs have already done comparisons between the fanfic and the current novel.

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cynatnite March 14 2012, 15:51:32 UTC
Well there are movie rights. *G*

But like you said, this does not a writing career make.

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 16:06:50 UTC
Huh ... will the producers try to cast Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart for the film version of the book? Or lookalikes, perhaps? :P

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kimberlyfdr March 14 2012, 16:11:57 UTC
The print run for non-US sales was 250,000. They're doing a 750,000 print run for US rights. If this turns out to be financially viable then I'll be impressed. If she's got the typical percentage of sales contract that other authors do, she's got to get to a second printing before it earns out the advance (or hope it cashes out on the second or third book). The advance was also inflated because it went to auction, rather than being acquired outright. Vintage has great marketing already on the series, but it's got to maintain that interest long-term.

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 17:21:28 UTC
... they're going to print 750,000 copies of 50 Shades of Grey? Wow.

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kimberlyfdr March 14 2012, 17:30:43 UTC
Yep, which is why it will be interesting to see the sales numbers. Are they going to be able to triple their sales in the mainstream market? I don't know how viable it's going to be, but the media attention right now is certainly putting it in people's minds.

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gideonbd77 March 14 2012, 17:40:45 UTC
Okay, there is something good that came out of this situation, I think. Thanks to the coverage the book's gotten, Dear Author will be scheduling a series of posts about fanfiction. One of the posts will feature 'Professor Rebecca Tushnet as a guest to answer questions about legal and ethical issues in writing and disseminating fan fiction'. Cool!

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