Oh, I completely understand all that. But it was still rape by definition. I mean, whether it was intentional or not is besides the point. Sex was still had without consent. I don't necessarily blame Bill for it because I know it was beyond his control but it still happened nonetheless. And I'm sure he would have raped a boy or an old lady. It definitely wasn't Sookie specific.
I also think it had to do with how young he is. I think in that situation a vampire as old as Eric or Godric might have been able to control themselves (I think this because of the way that Eric was literally able to fly himself/Sookie/Pam's coffin out of a burning building in the middle of broad daylight, that's some intense control).
But what I was saying here is that if the whole thing was more than just "oh Bill was a starving vampire" that would make him even more sympathetic. Which in this case, can only help his character. There's so much about what happened that was just brushed under the rug. I think there's just a deeper place you can go with it. Especially if they want Bill to be more likable.
Yes, I know a lot of vampires probably tortured people for fun. But I just never got the impression (on this show/book series) that most do that now. I'm sure they evolved. Of course there's always some still, but there's a lot of messed up humans in the world too.
And yes, there could be a chain of evilness going back to Lorena's maker and before that. Who knows!
Also Eric is sector 5 sheriff, not 9 LOL YES, THAT WAS A TYPO! My bad!
I also think it had to do with how young he is. I think in that situation a vampire as old as Eric or Godric might have been able to control themselves
Exactly this. As much of a non-Bill fan I am, I tend to cut him a little more slack with the whole trunk debacle. Though honestly, this would NEVER have happened with Eric. Though I am quite surprised that Book!Sookie cut him so much slack for this considering her history with Uncle Bartlett and such.
And I think the TV show already tries *too hard* to make Bill likable. I hate the soppiness of their relationship so much, and the whole Edward/Bella "you are my life now" vibe they have going. And for them to have TV!Eric bring in Lorena to mess shit up when in the book, Bill can fuck things up all on his own? Yeah, I'm very annoyed about that.
Though I am curious about what Eric's master plan is this season. It seems like he's got something up his sleeve, what with Lorena, and seemingly dispensing his own blood out like it's ice cream.
Anyway, my two bits. Thanks for another great picspam/summary. Always entertaining. :)
As much of a non-Bill fan I am, I tend to cut him a little more slack with the whole trunk debacle. Though honestly, this would NEVER have happened with Eric. Though I am quite surprised that Book!Sookie cut him so much slack for this considering her history with Uncle Bartlett and such.
THIS. I don't get Charlaine Harris sometimes. I really found that whole situation disturbing! >:|
Whatever, I feel like Charlaine skips right over important plots (which is why I'm afraid she'll have Sookie get-over the whole trauma of D&G). She turned this strong female character into a weak one, imo.
I cannot believe I just found so many posts in one place that I 100% agree with. I feel so validated.
Maybe Sookie will cope with the rape properly in an upcoming book, but I seriously doubt it. I guess Bill fans think it's not a Big Deal because Bill was her bf and he "couldn't control himself." I mean, if you've never heard that as a justification for sexual assault, you live under a rock.
And I agree~ there's no way Eric would have done that. That was all I could think about when I read that part. I think the Lorena & Bill scene helped show that Eric is much more in touch with his "humanity" than Bill is, in many respects. Or maybe I'm totally biased (I am). Although that was a nasty scene, it was necessary IMO.
I adore your picspams and commentary. I think the V Pam gave to Lafayette was Eric's blood and they'll use it to find out who would want V that old, maybe leading them to whoever took Godric. Or maybe they figure that if they regulate the trade, they can keep an eye on the users in Area 5. Who knows? It struck me as odd.
I think the fact that it wouldn't have happened with Eric is part of why I like Eric/Sookie so much. Bill is technically far more dangerous than Eric is. It would be hard to find a situation where Eric would just not be able to control himself. And Bill, regardless of his good intentions, just isn't old enough to be able to say that.
Yea, the show has tried so hard to make Bill likable that it almost had the opposite effect.
But Bill wasn't unlikable (just a bit dull) before book 3. So if they went straight with the books I think they would have to try to soften him up at least a bit. Especially if they want to make it more of a triangle. In the books it almost feels like you have to root for Eric (at least at that point in the series) considering everything.
I agree, Eric definitely does give his blood too easily on the show. I rationalize that what happened with Lafayette was definitely for Sookie and wasn't even remotely sexual but still...it makes blood donation seem like not a big deal, when it definitely is.
And I'm sure he would have raped a boy or an old lady. It definitely wasn't Sookie specific.
I also think it had to do with how young he is. I think in that situation a vampire as old as Eric or Godric might have been able to control themselves (I think this because of the way that Eric was literally able to fly himself/Sookie/Pam's coffin out of a burning building in the middle of broad daylight, that's some intense control).
But what I was saying here is that if the whole thing was more than just "oh Bill was a starving vampire" that would make him even more sympathetic. Which in this case, can only help his character. There's so much about what happened that was just brushed under the rug.
I think there's just a deeper place you can go with it. Especially if they want Bill to be more likable.
Yes, I know a lot of vampires probably tortured people for fun. But I just never got the impression (on this show/book series) that most do that now. I'm sure they evolved.
Of course there's always some still, but there's a lot of messed up humans in the world too.
And yes, there could be a chain of evilness going back to Lorena's maker and before that. Who knows!
Also Eric is sector 5 sheriff, not 9
LOL YES, THAT WAS A TYPO! My bad!
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Exactly this. As much of a non-Bill fan I am, I tend to cut him a little more slack with the whole trunk debacle. Though honestly, this would NEVER have happened with Eric. Though I am quite surprised that Book!Sookie cut him so much slack for this considering her history with Uncle Bartlett and such.
And I think the TV show already tries *too hard* to make Bill likable. I hate the soppiness of their relationship so much, and the whole Edward/Bella "you are my life now" vibe they have going. And for them to have TV!Eric bring in Lorena to mess shit up when in the book, Bill can fuck things up all on his own? Yeah, I'm very annoyed about that.
Though I am curious about what Eric's master plan is this season. It seems like he's got something up his sleeve, what with Lorena, and seemingly dispensing his own blood out like it's ice cream.
Anyway, my two bits. Thanks for another great picspam/summary. Always entertaining. :)
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THIS. I don't get Charlaine Harris sometimes. I really found that whole situation disturbing! >:|
Whatever, I feel like Charlaine skips right over important plots (which is why I'm afraid she'll have Sookie get-over the whole trauma of D&G). She turned this strong female character into a weak one, imo.
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I mean, wtf?
Even if it's not his fault, as a person with a history of sexual abuse she should have been SO shaken. I guess she was just trying to block it out?
I agree, I think she'll probably "get over" the torture for the most part. sigh.
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Maybe Sookie will cope with the rape properly in an upcoming book, but I seriously doubt it. I guess Bill fans think it's not a Big Deal because Bill was her bf and he "couldn't control himself." I mean, if you've never heard that as a justification for sexual assault, you live under a rock.
And I agree~ there's no way Eric would have done that. That was all I could think about when I read that part. I think the Lorena & Bill scene helped show that Eric is much more in touch with his "humanity" than Bill is, in many respects. Or maybe I'm totally biased (I am).
Although that was a nasty scene, it was necessary IMO.
I adore your picspams and commentary.
I think the V Pam gave to Lafayette was Eric's blood and they'll use it to find out who would want V that old, maybe leading them to whoever took Godric.
Or maybe they figure that if they regulate the trade, they can keep an eye on the users in Area 5. Who knows? It struck me as odd.
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Yea, the show has tried so hard to make Bill likable that it almost had the opposite effect.
But Bill wasn't unlikable (just a bit dull) before book 3. So if they went straight with the books I think they would have to try to soften him up at least a bit. Especially if they want to make it more of a triangle. In the books it almost feels like you have to root for Eric (at least at that point in the series) considering everything.
I agree, Eric definitely does give his blood too easily on the show. I rationalize that what happened with Lafayette was definitely for Sookie and wasn't even remotely sexual but still...it makes blood donation seem like not a big deal, when it definitely is.
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