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So I am about 27 comments away from hitting 1k with Rachel and I was going to be a good girl and wait, BUT I'M IMPATIENT SO FUCK IT.
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Sooo it's really no question that if it wasn't for Glee, Rachel would never interact with Santana outside of the whole being bullied by her thing. They both just... clash. Both of them are the types of people who know what they want, and they go for what they want, even if it means disastrous results for themselves and the people around them. And I think that most of the time, what they each want is at the opposite ends of the spectrum, which makes them butt head about things! And even when they want the same thing, it still happens because they're not used to being civilized with one another and they have different approaches to things. So because of all these differences (and similarities) Rachel has a generally negative opinion of Santana! She does think Santana is bitchy, bossy, manipulative, and a drama queen! Which is hilariously the same things that Santana constantly calls her out on.
Anyway since they don't really get along, obviously they don't hang out that much together when they don't need to back home. But in camp, it's different! They see each other constantly. They share a lot of the same acquaintances! And even more, they don't have Glee club to fall back on as a crutch anymore. There's the camp version, but it's really not the same since there's really nothing at stake with that? There's no pressure! So now they have to actually talk, and Rachel is honestly doing her best to be as civilized as possible. Because even with all her blaahhh feelings regarding Santana, it's like what she said in that thread, she does respect her. And she does appreciate her since she is a part of their messed up show choir family. So she tries to be nice and polite, and admittedly she is losing her patience a lot with this because Santana just keeps attacking her constantly. SO REALLY what happens next is really dependent on Santana, because Rachel can't keep her cool forever.
REVERSE!!
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That said, Santana is ridiculous. She doesn't admit she likes things she enjoys because it might make her look bad, but she gets pissed off when things don't go well. She doesn't want to fully sabotage them, which is shown by how long she held on to the "I slept with Finn" fact. As you might recall, that was something meant to come out long before it did. In "Sectionals," she didn't want to admit she liked the club. But she did. The only person to validate her in that moment was Rachel. Now, I don't think Santana gets a lot of legitimate validation outside of Brittany (who loves everyone anyway, so it makes it easier for her to think she isn't special) and maybe her parents. The rest is sought after and power-controlled and honestly, driven by her image, fear (both internal and external), and a need to just be as obnoxious as possible. But Rachel validated her. Prior to that point, Rachel was mostly a joke. Maybe a realistic-about-sex joke, but a joke all the same; Santana helped Quinn bully her and she was unnecessary. In the latter half of season one, Santana is meant to take her down several times and doesn't. Sure, she plants details here and there to get what she wants, but that's because she likes fucking with things. But she doesn't do it to the point of destroying the club. I will put it out there now that she doesn't realize that she does these things. After all, the majority of Santana's explanation for herself is that she's a bitch and she doesn't give a fuck who thinks so.
So, then we have season two, the outing of the Finn thing because honestly, Santana couldn't deal with someone being happy when she was unhappy (this was, in my opinion, a continued downward slope for her after the circumstances of "Duets"), and the midway point between "Duets" and "Sexy." Whether this narrative was intended ... I doubt it, but it helps to make it so Santana works. Either way, Santana meddles to make Rachel unhappy. She focused on Rachel in other episodes, such as "Britney/Brittany" in order to remark upon her clothing attire. Santana hyperfocuses on a lot of people's flaws, but aside from "Born This Way" and rare other moments, Rachel is the main person Santana does this with-and proceeds to expel it.
This is, in my opinion, for a couple of reasons. The first is that Rachel is threatening to her. Rachel also goes for what she wants, but instead of cutting people down or trying to rule things with fear, she doesn't create a system. She just goes for it. She doesn't give a fuck if people are bullying her because she has her dream, her point of self-actualization, and her moment of recognizing other people and seeing when they need validation (see my point above). Rachel is undaunted by a lot of things, and even if she is mostly disliked by a lot of people, it's mostly not entirely because she's a horrible person. This is starkly different from Santana, who is regularly pretty awful to other people in critical, judgmental ways that regularly exercise the various -isms in order to be obnoxiously "truthful."
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And, of course, there is a final, unrelated point, which can be contested but ties into things: Santana has a thing for her. Her defensiveness or insulting nature toward Rachel's looks and her behavior otherwise toward things adds up to this. It's similar behavior. It's incredibly repressed in the "I'd only find out if I kissed you" way, and Santana isn't exactly thinking of Rachel like that. She openly looked at her naked in the bathninja post because she wanted to fuck with her. And at the same time, rather than feeling "turned on" or whatever, she only felt insecure, as she does in comparison to other girls. She probably was annoyed at some aspect of Rachel's body, and hyperfocused on that to turn it into a flaw. In fact, this will probably come up later.
As it relates back to Rachel herself in camp, Santana has a lot she wants to keep from her to maintain a power-balance because she feels like that is necessary. Again with the stuff in Santana's head. She thinks she's going to lose the people she depends upon because they'll like Rachel better than her, and Rachel is a threat. Kurt is Rachel's best friend, Blaine and Rachel had a weird dating thing, Emily is getting on with her well already, and Maka would only drive the point in deeper-Santana doesn't think any of these people are legitimately her friends. She is calling them her friends at this point, which is a huge deal, because she wants them to be her friends. She's able to communicate as much by now (and with a little help from Brittany memories). It's not even sugarcoated. But she's still afraid of losing everyone, so in a way, she tests people constantly to see if they want to put up with her (and usually, they don't).
Beyond that, there's the club. Santana ... loves Glee club. I don't think she knows why entirely. She loves performing and she loves music and it is a really important part of her. She also loves the competition. I think the way Brittany externalizes the "Glee club is my family" thing, Santana internalizes it-super deep. This is why in season three she's able to deal with coming back and making a humiliating oath of loyalty; she makes it and admits that she does it without telling Sue. Does she express her love and appreciation well? No. She's the one who tried to kill Rachel and had to be held back by three people after they lost at Nationals. Santana isn't very good at expression at all.
But Rachel validating her in their most recent thread is going to curb the attacks by like ... seventy-five percent. She's still going to look for weak points because she's so insecure she wants to find them in other people, but at the same time, Santana is frightened of losing her friends. And this might be the only way to keep them.
And, you know. She likes Rachel Berry, too.
Where do you think Rachel's arc is going this season?
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Santana ♥
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It's actually pretty weird, since so far we are actually seeing all the stuff she learned in the previous seasons put into play? She's willing to share the spotlight right off the bat! She even apologizes to Finn beforehand because she's most likely going to get really self-absorbed because of the play!! So that already is a big change from her learning that she can't always be the center of attention then promptly forgetting by the next episode. I also like that despite that, her impulsive and self-serving traits aren't gone either? Like how she immediately jumped into the election just because she thought she wasn't going to get to play Maria.
It also hasn't been focusing on her romance life so far, which is also good. I like all the subtle glimpses we see of her and Finn, although it is. Somewhat frustrating because I went through all of season two really disliking that pairing and it was everywhere, and now that I like it again it's nowhere. Which will change in future episodes, but! I think it's a good way to show that her ~*~love life~*~ isn't her whole world anymore. She loves Finn, but she has other things she needs to be doing! And the stuff we do see is really adorable.
Obviously they are working a lot on showing her and Kurt's relationship, as well as Mercedes, but I hope they show more with other characters? You know I really like the Rachel and Kurt dynamic, but it'll be nice to see her interacting with everyone else too. I really loved that scene with Quinn, and just-- she used to talk to Puck more! I just want more varied interactions in general instead of always with the same people, really.
Also I am pretty sure that she and Kurt are going to stomp on Harmony at some point in time. I am okay with that as long as we get to see Harmony perform more.
SAME TO YOU but with Santana :c
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Santana softened a lot over the summer. It might be harder to see if you don't obsess over Santana's every scene, but this is the same girl who, in Sexy, reacted poorly to the idea of expressing her feelings in any way, and then in the next episode, shut down and couldn't deal with Brittany looking at her. She worked up toward it better by Rumours, but her behavior outside of Brittany was still cold. In Prom Queen, she was still visibly self-absorbed and aggressive, which continued in Funeral and there wasn't much in New York with her, except her and Brittany's last scene and the Rachel fight.
So, the thing is, I think Brittany and Santana were close over the summer, and Santana decided that they deserved to go out with a bang. Santana didn't rejoin the Cheerios for Sue, but in order to get what she wanted, she had to play along. Santana is doing it for herself, for an awesome senior year, and to do something with Brittany. Plus, despite everything, I think Santana likes being a Cheerio as long as she isn't being put down and made to feel powerless, as Sue was making her feel. Being on the cheerleading squad doesn't make someone evil, and I actually think this is important to note. Santana can be terrible and incredibly unsympathetic at times, but good people have been on the squad. So although Sue makes her Cheerios do awful things, it isn't necessarily like they have any choice.
That said, several key things remain:
- Santana loves the Glee club still.
- Santana doesn't think she can suffer proper consequences half the time, so that's why she went ahead with the piano burning.
- She can feel regret and uncomfortable regardless.
All of this added up that even if she liked the piano idea, Santana was forced to go through something she honestly didn't want to do. The cameras were very specific in narrowing in on her face to show her looking uncomfortable. Yes, of course she owned up to it, but that doesn't mean she personally saw it as a loud, anti-Glee club rebellion. She was hurt when she was kicked out, and while I think narratively, there was a lot wrong with it (Will doing it partly because Emma told him he made her feel hot, putting a teenager into a us vs them scenario, the obvious references to Santana being outed if she doesn't go along with it), I do think it's good Santana had to realize consequences exist to deal with and that her screwed up actions are things she needs to work with. This is something I've done with camp a bit, but it's good to see it on the show, too.
Beyond that, I can't say. From what I understand of spoilers, Santana is going to be dating Brittany secretly. She's in a very supporting role, which is new for her since Santana otherwise has been antagonistic or was turned up to protagonist status. I think next episode will be different and will give me a better idea. My guesses is that she's going to be trying to have her cake and eat it too, so to speak, with the dating, but I'm not sure. I do think Santana is subtly growing. She's getting development, but it's minor things, and I'm honestly peeved that it's not reflected on-screen yet. (Though, to be fair, for as much as Blaine has been on-screen, we still barely know anything about him, so I think the writers will get to it.)
Is Annie's type assholes?
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So basically, if you're not straightforward that you like her and beat around the bush, she's most likely not going to notice. She didn't notice canonly when the two more reserved guys had crushes on her until she was told point blank. It's also why she is pretty oblivious to the fact that Hanna and Conrad like her in camp, because they're dancing around the subject and pretending otherwise when it comes to admitting feelings.
So, yes! If you woo her, she is very likely to form a crush on you. The problem is that she tends to get blindsided with KYAA KYAAA FEELINGS and doesn't notice any warning signs if this is a bad match until it's too late. On the plus side, once she does finally come to this realization, she won't hold onto the relationship and will give them the boot.
What are your characters' normal camp day to day camp routine?
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