It's Scary When I Find Myself Agreeing with Newt Gingrich

May 28, 2009 16:32

I don't like to make whole judgments based on sound bites out of context, but what little I do know is pretty damning. I will certainly look into this further. For now, here's what I've got ( Read more... )

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Well no I don't agree with Gingrich ziabandito555 May 28 2009, 21:30:27 UTC
Dude. She was following precedent. The same type of case had been brought up before and thrown out a couple times. Yes she should have written WHY she refused to hear it but come on she was literally following the letter of the law there and she doesn't have to write why.

Besides that the quote as I read it said that a latino woman hearing a case dealing with latino issues will invariably have a different opinion from a white man simply because they grew up in the culture and have been exposed to that information. Similarly a white male will be more informed on white male issues by living that life. I think it is a stupid thing to say but I read it very differently. So obviously we read that very differently.

Whatever I dont much like her center right rulings and she's too focused on legal minutia for my tastes but unless there is an outcry she is sticking around.

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich ziabandito555 May 28 2009, 21:30:57 UTC
Check that... i mean on outcry over something reasonably there not some quote mined drivel.

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich sprockey May 28 2009, 21:56:31 UTC
Like I said, I don't know enough about the particular case to say for sure whether she was justified in throwing it out. I expressed concerns on that issue, not judgments.

The quote itself is what alarmed me. The fact of the matter is that if you change the word "Latina" to "white" in that sentence, it sounds like the words of a klansman. I recognize that her life experience will influence her decisions, and her experiences in the projects will certainly lead her to empathize with the poor. However, she could have said so in a thousand different ways that were not that.

As for her comment being restricted to Latino issues, I think it's bull. Many many decisions on these Latino issues will affect every American, not just Latinos.

As for Gingrich's comment, I don't necessarily agree that she should step down. She's not who I would have chosen, but I don't think that her comment is enough to demand that of her. However, I do agree with Newty that a white man would be crucified for saying pretty much the same damned thing. It ( ... )

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich ziabandito555 May 28 2009, 22:04:18 UTC
I agree that she could have said ti better. I actually think it is a pretty stupid thing to say in general. Life experiences do inform but it is important to keep legal precedent and case law in mind.

I just think the comment is being blown out of proportion and out of context. You're right that if a white man said it he would be attacked. Depending on how he said it. And you know that there would be a lot of white men coming to his defense in hat case such as Gingrich himself so I'm far from empathetic on the issue.

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich sprockey May 28 2009, 23:06:12 UTC
Whether people come to defend them on either side of the issue is not the point. Even when Newt or the Republicans speak out against the double standard, it generally amounts to naught.

Careers get ruined over this stuff.

Black comedians can make entire routines out of making fun of Chinese, Gays, Hispanics and White people if they choose to. A white comedian can not make fun of blacks at all if he wants to keep his career. Just can't.

I remember some years back there was even the case of a man getting fired for using the word "niggardly" in a business meeting, because it sounded like "nigger." Those around him, being ignorant of the English language, had a knee-jerk reaction, fired him, and did not reinstate him even after they had been corrected.

Having Newt come to your defense really isn't enough. It's a serious social problem that is seldom talked about, except by right wing loons who do the situation no favors.

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich quentincoyote May 29 2009, 15:27:19 UTC
She did say it better, gingritch just doesn't give you her whole quote, making it seem like she was saying the opposite of what she meant. See my comment below.

No offense but, instead of taking right wing talking points at face value and then responding to them as though they were valid, you might want to always check to see if they're even true at all in the first place. :-P Very often, you'll find that they just simply aren't.

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich sprockey May 29 2009, 22:15:58 UTC
I said from the beginning that I was expressing concerns, not judgments. I'm the first to admit I don't have all the facts.

First chance I get, I'm going to listen to what ziabandito sent. As for your You Tube link, it no longer works. :P

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Re: Well no I don't agree with Gingrich quentincoyote May 29 2009, 22:26:13 UTC
Fixed, try that.

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