Is Star Trek truly in trouble and what does this mean for S/U?

[1trex1]

I just got off trekmovie and they have an article about How Star Trek is broken and how it needs to be fixed. Does anyone here even agree that star trek is broken after STiD? Here is the link

http://trekmovie.com/2013/09/01/star-trek-is-broken-here-are-ideas-on-how-to-fix-it/ It is quite obvious that STiD is a film that has not been well

Comments

[malaikamolly]

I honestly think that S/U is the least of their problem but it's true that a lot of critics lamented the fact that a romance teased in the first movie wasn't used to its full potential in the sequel. Mind you, I don't think anyone (including us the S/U fans) have unrealistic expectations. We know that the story is not about them and frankly one of their appeal is precisely that. I, personally, love that they're subtle and their relationship is not the point. It's like watching a real life couple, the relationship is there and they love one another but it's sort of their business LOL They're a bit like a combination of Arwen/Aragorn and Hermione/Ron, if you get what I mean.

But I think that the main criticism is also a generic one that the movie should have been more balanced and have more original stories (many felt it was written to appease the trek fans too much and this resulted in the movie being essentially a greatest hits of the classic trek). We get that Kirk and Spock are the main characters but there are many other characters too and other relationships to develop. If they really want to push the idea that the enterprise is family they better start to give to them family moment and treat the cast as an ensemble.
Hopefully, without Lindelof in the writing the writers will get back to what made the first movie a hit. You have an AU reality use it. For the better and worse this will be and should be their own trek.

[malaikamolly]

btw, though, I don't really think that trek is broken or that stid was a failure. I think that trekmovie might be exaggerating here. It's still a hit and pretty much a success for JJ&Co. It's not true that it wasn't, overall, well received by critics. Rotten Tomatoes is at 87% positive for the critics and 91% for the audience. I mean seriously.

[1trex1]

SSTiD is more like the Dark Knight Rises. Sure the reviews are positive on RT but there has been a lot of fans that have said the film was awful or no where near as good as the previous two.

I do agree on S/U been similar to Argorn/Arwen and Ron/Hermione, I don't think any of this 3 couples mentioned have had 10 minutes together on screen in any film.however did we really need top see uhura screaming at spock on a way to a serious mission?

[the_teener]

See, I don't think uhura was screaming at spock at all. She spoke up because spock has been careless with his life in risky situations and this was another risky situation. I think her emotions definitely got to her, but even Kirk backed her up. I just get tired of this one situation getting pulled out as uhura being unprofessional, when the men all have unprofessional moments, but get away with it.

[idiclove]

however did we really need top see uhura screaming at spock on a way to a serious mission?

While I understand that the argument between s/u was not the best timing, I think its a bit unfair to categorize her as screaming at Spock as if she were some angry child who was having a tantrum. Both Kirk and Spock also participated in the discussion and at no time did Kirk, who is captain, reprimand or order anyone to end the conversation, which he had the authority to do. In fact, he even supported Uhura in her claims.

I just feel there is so much gender bias in thoughts like this, because none of the men ever get called out for inappropriate or "whiny" "needy" or "nagging" behavior. Furthermore, I feel that there is an unfair mentality in society where women cannot express their anger or frustrations about situations the way men can. Because I have even seen Uhura called a bitch, and uppity for taking Kirk to task for his bad behavior in the first film, and many of the people who made those statements said she was much better behaved and polite in STID, because she was no longer a bitch to Kirk and gave him the respect he deserves. Which sounds an awful lot like that uppity woman has no right expressing anger or frustration towards a man. So with her argument with Spock, I feel like here is a situation where she has valid concerns for Spock, concerns she tried to voice in private and he would not listen. So now they are in a dangerous situation again and she has no idea where Spock's head is at and she spoke up. But so many call her nagging or yelling or unprofessional when thats not how she was at all. And if she had been a man, even if some felt the timing was bad, no one, not fans or critics, would have called a male character nagging or screaming or whiny or any of the other comments I have seen thrown at Uhura for that one scene where she let her emotions get the best of her. And compared to how many times the men in the film let there emotions get the best of them and acted out of line, Uhura pretty much looks like a professional saint