#104 - honc by honc
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OKAY IT'S AND OLD POST/FROM TUMBLR. But this quote just makes me want to talk about something I've been pondering for awhile now.
It goes to the lengths that he’ll just mindlessly sacrifice himself for the people he loves because he is disposable and if it takes his death for them to live then so be it. Like, this is a terrible thing to be. To do. If you devalue yourself so much, it becomes easy to dismiss the fact that your actions have impact. I, in no way, want to deminish the trauma Dean has suffered as a child and beyond. I'm not even going to say that Dean should just suddenly get perspective because that notion is stupid. Safety is a key element of recovery and he doesn't have that ( ... )
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With spn it's so much less heartbreaking to be this type of fan in my experience. For the first five seasons I tried to hold on, but now I find it a lot less frustrating and unsatisfactory to sit back and stare at Dean's face. and so forth.
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They should really split the show into two half hour shows on different days, one for those who want to keep on heroically believing in plot and characterization, another that was just 22 minutes or so of Dean's shirt riding up and Sam's hair being shiny.
Maybe with some explosions for that nonnie who loves explosions, and because then we could have Cas looking all pretty by the disastrous light.
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If the half-hour for viewers who want to keep on heroically believing in plot and characterization actually worked, I'd prefer they just integrate the two segments (or maybe crudely intercut them). If not, though, definitely sign me up for the They Actually Are Just Pieces of (occasionally exploding) Meat (with great hair) half-hour, since that's about all that's keeping me going at this point anyway.
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I don't think it was just his love for Sam which saved the world in S5, it was his belief that people could make their own choices, even if the archangels commanded otherwise.
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it was his belief that people could make their own choices
Dean's ability to make his own choices was basically taken away from him at four years old. He grew up in the shadow of an authority figure that he idolized because it was easier to stomach being forced to live a certain way if you can make yourself believe that that authority figure's power is in some way right. It's the same way that religious people convince themselves that all the shitty stuff in their life happens for a reason and God is good because he's righteous. Dean grew up outside of a religious structure, but John was his God.
Once he got old enough to break out of that mindset, later on when free will became a possibility, it became his goal. The belief in it became one of the greatest bits of character evolution past his childhood that we have for him, and it's the main reason that I (as a Deangirl and borderline EDG) have never understood the argument that he should have said "yes" to Michael.
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I will never understand people who think he should have said yes to Michael (and I count myself a Deangirl). Do they really think Dean's will, body and thoughts being seized from him and bent towards a goal he has never supported is empowering? It's like they thought he was getting a timeshare of Michael's powers or something when in actuality he'd just be a shell for Michael to crawl into. That's made so explicit on the show. If Dean had said yes to Michael it'd have been a sacrifice not anything of any benefit to him.
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While I think it would have been better if they'd done more with the Dean-Michael dynamic than what we got, I also think it always had to be Sam that ended the apocalypse and[/or] made the sacrificial gesture therein, to balance out the dark path they dragged Sam down in S4. But man, if it'd been Sam that started the apocalypse and Dean that sacrificed himself to end it, I bet the Sam is a shitty ungrateful undeserving brother!!! wank would have reached even more epic proportions than it did anyway.
I wonder if we'd have gotten a lot of wank too if the season ended with Michael vs. Lucifer featuring Dean and Sam's bodies as meatpuppets. Like, whoever broke his archangel's hold first loves his brother more?
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So when he is saved from Hell itself because he is in fact special, this is a big thing.
I'm kind of confused... Are they saying that his weakness/failure causing the apocalypse to kick off earns him specialness points? Because it's not exactly like qualifying as a righteous man was a one-time thing: John also qualified, after all. But it follows right up with
Not only is he special, but he’s special in a beautiful way - he’s not super-strong or super-smart or super-talented, he’s super-kind, and fuck anyone who says heart isn’t the greatest superpower. Kindness and morality are Dean’s greatest gifts to the world and they are finally acknowledgedand that really doesn't ( ... )
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And I just realized I might be coming across as contradictory by suggesting that John also being a Righteous Man takes away from the fact Dean was also special enough to be considered one--and I don't think it means that at all, because all the unique qualities that made Dean qualify in the first place ARE what make Dean special to me--but I'm trying to figure out what Dean's specialness means in the OP's context.
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What was ~righterous about John? He was an alcoholic, revenge-driven, a bit in the insane side ex-militar that could hardly see his own sons as people with needs and fears.
I'm not saying John had no redeeming qualities or that he was the worst monster ever, but... righterous. LOL.
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I think to qualify, a person who would be going to Heaven (obviously a pretty broad category of people) just has to sell their soul to save the life of another person. Don't take the terminology too literally; the Righteous Man only has to be "righteous" by the standards of the cosmic monsters running the show.
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And hey, Bobby was an 'innocent soul' or something by cosmic standards? I haven't watched that but it's what I gathered and... lol.
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