question about Sam and season 8.
anonymous
July 6 2012, 21:50:18 UTC
do you think that Sam's love interest, Amelia, will be another version of Ruby for Sam? I just find it interesting how Sam is getting a love interest when Dean is gone or missing. Similar to how Sam had Ruby as a love interest in season 4 when Dean was in Hell.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 21:53:55 UTC
Er, similar how? I'm not really seeing it, other than the 'woman Sam is romantically linked to' thing. Ruby was an entirely different character with a history with them and demonic motivations and we haven't had any hint that Amelia is anything like that.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 22:11:10 UTC
It would be so lame and repetitive if they did that. Dean going to Purgatory isn't that fresh and new by itself, the ending of 7.23 basically parroted 3.16, only these days Dean won't yell SAAAAMMMMM first thing in a hell-like situation. Dick.
I hope Sam gets a love interest after he gets Dean back, as a sort of celebration.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 22:32:31 UTC
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I see a lot of difference, actually, at least potentially, in terms of where they might be going with Dean from that starting point. 3.16 ended with Dean being killed by violence against which he was helpless, and the last image of him was him immobilized and tormented. 7.23 ended with Dean successfully defeating his adversary, even if he was sucked away as a side effect, and, though purgatory looks anything but fun, Dean is free, in danger rather than tortured, and still potentially with Cas's help.
It seems like a set-up for hardship, danger, and hurt, but not for the kind of suffering without agency (not to mention the destructive parody of agency in the choice to take up the knife) that did so much damage to Dean in hell. I can see Dean coming out of purgatory hurt or damaged, but also potentially in a better rather than a worse place.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 22:20:02 UTC
I doubt it. All indications are that this is a non-adversarial, sympathetic character, not someone who is out to manipulate Sam and not someone who is part of a dark turn on Sam's part. Unless you hold with the view that any sexual or romantic interest on Sam's part while Dean is in purgatory is evil for some reason, I don't see any similarities
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Re: question about Sam and season 8.
anonymous
July 6 2012, 22:50:40 UTC
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It's not exactly like that.
I'm a Sam!girl and I'll stick to him anyway. But, unless a lot of time has passed, let's say a year, I find it in fact a bit disrespectful. He knows Dean is not dead and gone, he's 'somewhere', in danger, but he also knows he can come back (because if you can come back from Hell, you can come back from any other place, and because the leviathans came from Purgatory).
In his case, and I'm in no way as passionate about my siblings as the Winchesters are about each other, I would feel no interest in engaging in a romantic relationship. I'd be too worried, too busy trying to find a solution, because who else is going to do it?
Sex is different, an one-nighter, because that hardly takes time lol
And being a Sam!girl, I'd love to see Sam being considered a hero the same way Dean is. It's a bit unbalanced in that territory.
It's not a shipper view, trust me. It's my view as a Sam!girl.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 23:22:04 UTC
ayrt
That's exactly how I see it. If Dean is out, then a bit of romance is ok -I'm not a big fan of how spn handles romance, so I hope is not too heavy on it-, but if it happens before he leaves Purgatory, I won't be very happy.
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anonymous
July 6 2012, 23:57:55 UTC
Huh. Last two seasons, Sam has been mostly more sympathetic than Dean. I don't think Sam's heroism or goodness is really under attack in fandom at this point. I think a lot of Samgirls may be getting oversensitive about this exactly because of a Ruby parallel that really isn't there. Unless Sam stops working on getting Dean out in order to go on vacation with Amelia or something (and from the sounds of it, Amelia is someone who is caught up and hurt in something supernatural when Sam first meets her -- he's helping someone, not going to singles events looking for dates), I honestly find this negative judgment on Sam if he begins to form a relationship before Dean is out pretty distasteful. I don't think it makes Sam less a hero any more than I think it makes Dean less a hero that he was cooking breakfast and working on a car with Ben and making friends with a coworker and having some good moments with Lisa as well as working on getting Sam out of the Cage.
Re: question about Sam and season 8.
anonymous
July 7 2012, 00:23:14 UTC
ayrt
I can agree that S4 will never be far enough and yes, it still stings a bit and this only brings memories or Ruby.
But disagree on everything else. Trust me, what happened back then still rests on Sam as a character. And he's more sympathetic, yes, but never gets to make big things for his brother. Dean does, thus Dean is always the good brother.
Comparing this situation with Dean's after Swan Song is not fair either. I don't think I need to get in deep in why it is different, but that phrase "every part of Dean wants to die, or find a way to bring Sam back" is a good summary.
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Statistically in terms of Sam's love interests, she's more likely to be killed by supernatural forces.
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Define your 'interest'.
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I hope Sam gets a love interest after he gets Dean back, as a sort of celebration.
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There's just a level of intensity between the two that makes them hard to compare as places. As plot devices, yes, comparable.
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I see a lot of difference, actually, at least potentially, in terms of where they might be going with Dean from that starting point. 3.16 ended with Dean being killed by violence against which he was helpless, and the last image of him was him immobilized and tormented. 7.23 ended with Dean successfully defeating his adversary, even if he was sucked away as a side effect, and, though purgatory looks anything but fun, Dean is free, in danger rather than tortured, and still potentially with Cas's help.
It seems like a set-up for hardship, danger, and hurt, but not for the kind of suffering without agency (not to mention the destructive parody of agency in the choice to take up the knife) that did so much damage to Dean in hell. I can see Dean coming out of purgatory hurt or damaged, but also potentially in a better rather than a worse place.
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It's not exactly like that.
I'm a Sam!girl and I'll stick to him anyway. But, unless a lot of time has passed, let's say a year, I find it in fact a bit disrespectful. He knows Dean is not dead and gone, he's 'somewhere', in danger, but he also knows he can come back (because if you can come back from Hell, you can come back from any other place, and because the leviathans came from Purgatory).
In his case, and I'm in no way as passionate about my siblings as the Winchesters are about each other, I would feel no interest in engaging in a romantic relationship. I'd be too worried, too busy trying to find a solution, because who else is going to do it?
Sex is different, an one-nighter, because that hardly takes time lol
And being a Sam!girl, I'd love to see Sam being considered a hero the same way Dean is. It's a bit unbalanced in that territory.
It's not a shipper view, trust me. It's my view as a Sam!girl.
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I don't see it as cut and dry like that, it would depend on how that relationship is played out (that is, if Sam/Amelia happens before Dean is out).
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That's exactly how I see it. If Dean is out, then a bit of romance is ok -I'm not a big fan of how spn handles romance, so I hope is not too heavy on it-, but if it happens before he leaves Purgatory, I won't be very happy.
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I can agree that S4 will never be far enough and yes, it still stings a bit and this only brings memories or Ruby.
But disagree on everything else. Trust me, what happened back then still rests on Sam as a character. And he's more sympathetic, yes, but never gets to make big things for his brother. Dean does, thus Dean is always the good brother.
Comparing this situation with Dean's after Swan Song is not fair either. I don't think I need to get in deep in why it is different, but that phrase "every part of Dean wants to die, or find a way to bring Sam back" is a good summary.
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I honestly do not follow. Dean is always the good brother? Were you on meme this past year, especially around 7.16?
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