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They could recast? Maybe Adam is so distorted by his experience in the Cage that that can be an in-verse explanation.
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Maybe his soul could be twisted into demon-ness or whatever, and now he needs a non-Jake Abel human vessel?
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I thought of that, but Adam fell into the Cage with his body, didn't he? Or! You could argue that his body got destroyed from being in there too long.
Adam would be a new kind of creature, not quite a demon but similar.
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But I agree that there's a lot of oblivion that can be really offputting, even beyond the egregious example of Adam. The fact that Ellen and Jo don't ever get brought up in discussions of working with Meg, for instance, really bugs me.
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This is actually one of my bigger problems with the series. I need to believe characters matter to the show and not just to me. I agree, that Jess is probably the best case of doing it right. They've let me really believe that she was an important person to Sam, with lasting effects on him.
So they know how to do it, it just doesn't happen a lot. And for me, I end up sometimes thinking of the show in compartmentalized terms - this is the era of Jo and Ellen - this is the show when Adam was on it, etc. And it doesn't end up feeling as cohesive and fluid to me as I would hope for.
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Same here! Only you said it much more succinctly than I did. :D Yeah, it really does feel very choppy. The seasons all feel very distinct to me except for S3-S4 which sort of meld together for me better than any of the others, but even there there's character differences.
It's like, S1 is the season of Finding Dad but the role John plays on the show, both literally and figuratively, diminishes significantly from 2.01 onward.
S2 is the psychic children and the Roadhouse, which are both written out by the end of the season. The psychic children bit is even kinda retconned in 4.22, since Azazel specifically claims that there are different generations of psychic kids in S2 but then hadn't started his search for the "special" baby until what was it, 1971? Something like that. And he stopped between 1973-2006 apparently, which hardly leaves enough time for actual generations of psychic kids to be involved ( ... )
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True, Jess has done fairly well, especially back in the first season. Certainly she came up more regularly than Lisa did with Dean in S6. It's not that it never happens, it's that if it does, it's incredibly rare. Callbacks are a delight; I love the line about Madison in 4.17 though ouch, how cruel that her number goes to a vet's office!
Agreed, the oblivion is very offputting. Adam is the worst of it; kid didn't ask for any of it, he's their brother, ffs, you'd think that would mean something to Sam and Dean considering how they're all "he's my brother" about each other all the time. For siblings with that close a family bond, I had expected more introspection about Adam than we got, especially after he was resurrected and they met the real version. Instead he's mentioned all of once and that's practically a throw away. God, I feel bad for Adam. Family =/= blood and all, but still. If I had an unknown sister who went to Hell thanks to my actions, I'd at least be curious about her and regretful of her situation. We ( ... )
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Interesting! I thought they handled Lisa spectacularly poorly. They had a couple of references to her right after 6.05 but we left it with Dean trying to call her and her not responding and then Mannequin picked up and suddenly the reverse was true, without any development of that or rationale to explain it.
Lisa and Ben generally suffered from a lack of development though. We saw that they were good for Dean and loved him, we know that Lisa had a job and a sister, but that's about all we ever learned. No favorite foods, no favorite colors, no favorite movies, not Lisa's sister's name, none of it. I love Dean/Lisa and thought the three of them were adorable, but I find the use of them more as plot points than actual characters to be very frustrating.
The "plot point not character" thing is just another aspect of what this whole thread is describing though, of course.
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A+ comment, nonnie.
The lack of recognition of past characters and the effect of their absence is one of the most frustrating elements of this show. Once gone, it's like we are supposed to forget their existence and the role they played in the Winchesters lives. The refusal to acknowledge or mention Adam is just inexcusable. And that Lisa hasn't even come up once since the end of S6 is pretty damn questionable.
And ugh, YES YES YES to your points about Meg. I have so many issues with her recent characterization and the handling, or lack thereof, of her backstory and past actions. Out of mind, out of sight. They seemingly don't want to deal with writing the impact of her past actions and how they should be influencing current canon. (And it could be meaty deliciousness!) It's like we are supposed to brush aside and disregard what place she had in the story before because they want to slide her into a new slot.
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It's so frustrating! I almost wonder if that's why the fanbase is so strong - people see all these dropped points in canon and go "wouldn't it have been interesting if!" and then write all these fascinating concepts as a result.
Some of it is because TPTB are just plain petty. Just look at the clamor about the voicemail - I'm not a bibro fan and I watch for a lot more than just Sam and Dean, but that voicemail struck me as pretty damned important. Yet it's never referenced again. The impact it had on their relationship is never brought up. The fact that Sam honestly thinks that Dean viewed him as a monster who needed to be put down that Dean wanted nothing more to do with, that Dean in turn poured his heart out and apologized and put everything on the line and, from his perspective, had all of that dismissed as meaningless because Sam went off and did what he did anyway, and jjfdskfjskdllfsd HOW IS THIS NOT REFERENCED AGAIN ( ... )
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he's their brother, ffs, you'd think that would mean something to Sam and Dean considering how they're all "he's my brother" about each other all the time.
I guess I'm in complete disagreement with the rest of the fandom here, but this doesn't seem terribly OOC to me. Sam and Dean care about each other because they grew up together, not because they happen to have the same parents. They didn't give a shit about Campbell's either, and they were blood-related. They never really even met Adam until after he died. Yes, we saw Dean try briefly to bring Adam back along with Sam, but how can it be at all a surprise that he would choose Sam?
I'm sure they both feel a little guilty that Adam got sucked into the whole mess, but what are they supposed to do? I don't think they discuss him much because they're Winchesters and they don't talk about stuff like that. At this point, he's probably not much more than another poor victim they weren't able to save.
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