Finally, after an endless battle with two different calculators and a mobile phone, and after redoing the sums a grand total of three times to be sure they were accurate, I present:
Thank you for the opportunity to participate, and for the yellow rose as well! Lovely. :)
Hope you were able to find a couple of hidden votes on my story-- at least two were a few comments deep (a 9.5 and a 10.0).
I voted for Gen in the above, just for the variety, but I did have a comment about the mixed m/m and f/f slash option.
Some of us don't read or like f/f slash (not to mention that we have very few female main characters on SPN, so there will be a lot of OFC stuff or perhaps contrived setups, and that will really suffer in comparison to the popular Sam/Dean stuff).
For m/m slash, anything not Sam/Dean will also be prone to suffer in comparison, as they're the OTP of the show.
So that would be a more apples & oranges voting situation, which doesn't work all that well if we're doing voting. If we're just having fun making stories, that's another thing-- have at it!
I saw some of this problem with my own story, though, in that one of the voters explicitly dislikes PWP and Established Relationship and Fluff, which... is the foundation of a great deal of schmoop. So rather than not voting (which would be preferable, with such heavy biases), she rated the story far lower than other voters.
I can just imagine the fiasco of "Well, I only like Sam/Dean, so your Dean/Ash gets a 3.0 from me" or "I don't like femmeslash, so your story gets a 4.5 even though it was really well-written" and the like.
Just my 2-cents. :)
Thanks for hosting this wonderful event! Oh, the stories we got from this one...
Yes, I did go looking for hidden votes, in everybody's entries. ;)
I saw that after the fact, and I'm dreadfully sorry about it. I was hoping peope would be mature enough not to deliberately vote down things they don't like, and I did notice the opposite was in effect - certain people giving only very high votes to angst stories. sadly I can't think of a way to police against that without essentially ruining the point of the competition, you know?
Yes, I did go looking for hidden votes, in everybody's entries. ;) You poor thing-- that must have been a lot of work!
sadly I can't think of a way to police against that without essentially ruining the point of the competition, you know? I think it would be worthwhile to at least state that if your biases prevent you from fully appreciating a particular subgenre (PWP, Fluff, Established Relationship, schmoop in general!) then please don't vote on the stories.
Because if you're taking the average of votes per story and then collating the average over time, then even if only schmoop lovers vote on the schmoop, you'll still get just the average of those votes.
There ARE lots of people who like both, thank goodness. I mean, schmoop did pretty darn well (though some of it was pretty angsty). :)
But some people don't understand that they don't have to vote on everything, and if they have a bias then they should refrain from voting on the things that don't fit their bias. Because the problem is then the bias and not the execution.
This came up in a discussin on my journal re a Harry Potter fandom contest, where (all hearsay, of course) someone had dithered over "Well it was really good, but it was much darker angst than I'm comfortable with, and I couldn't rate it higher than 'blah'". Again, in that case, I think the person should probably just not vote. The issue with "darkness" is that of the reader and not the author, and if you have a problem with that then your vote is pretty tainted.
All votes are opinions, obviously, and an opinion is never objective. But, if your bias is coloring your opinion than you're better off not voting.
Hope you were able to find a couple of hidden votes on my story-- at least two were a few comments deep (a 9.5 and a 10.0).
I voted for Gen in the above, just for the variety, but I did have a comment about the mixed m/m and f/f slash option.
Some of us don't read or like f/f slash (not to mention that we have very few female main characters on SPN, so there will be a lot of OFC stuff or perhaps contrived setups, and that will really suffer in comparison to the popular Sam/Dean stuff).
For m/m slash, anything not Sam/Dean will also be prone to suffer in comparison, as they're the OTP of the show.
So that would be a more apples & oranges voting situation, which doesn't work all that well if we're doing voting. If we're just having fun making stories, that's another thing-- have at it!
I saw some of this problem with my own story, though, in that one of the voters explicitly dislikes PWP and Established Relationship and Fluff, which... is the foundation of a great deal of schmoop. So rather than not voting (which would be preferable, with such heavy biases), she rated the story far lower than other voters.
I can just imagine the fiasco of "Well, I only like Sam/Dean, so your Dean/Ash gets a 3.0 from me" or "I don't like femmeslash, so your story gets a 4.5 even though it was really well-written" and the like.
Just my 2-cents. :)
Thanks for hosting this wonderful event! Oh, the stories we got from this one...
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I saw that after the fact, and I'm dreadfully sorry about it. I was hoping peope would be mature enough not to deliberately vote down things they don't like, and I did notice the opposite was in effect - certain people giving only very high votes to angst stories. sadly I can't think of a way to police against that without essentially ruining the point of the competition, you know?
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You poor thing-- that must have been a lot of work!
sadly I can't think of a way to police against that without essentially ruining the point of the competition, you know?
I think it would be worthwhile to at least state that if your biases prevent you from fully appreciating a particular subgenre (PWP, Fluff, Established Relationship, schmoop in general!) then please don't vote on the stories.
Because if you're taking the average of votes per story and then collating the average over time, then even if only schmoop lovers vote on the schmoop, you'll still get just the average of those votes.
There ARE lots of people who like both, thank goodness. I mean, schmoop did pretty darn well (though some of it was pretty angsty). :)
But some people don't understand that they don't have to vote on everything, and if they have a bias then they should refrain from voting on the things that don't fit their bias. Because the problem is then the bias and not the execution.
This came up in a discussin on my journal re a Harry Potter fandom contest, where (all hearsay, of course) someone had dithered over "Well it was really good, but it was much darker angst than I'm comfortable with, and I couldn't rate it higher than 'blah'". Again, in that case, I think the person should probably just not vote. The issue with "darkness" is that of the reader and not the author, and if you have a problem with that then your vote is pretty tainted.
All votes are opinions, obviously, and an opinion is never objective. But, if your bias is coloring your opinion than you're better off not voting.
Frustrating, isn't it?
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